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Mikuni Tuning on a Trident #567966
10/16/14 4:10 pm
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Does anyone have a good method for tuning Mikuni carbs on a trident? The "directions" that come with the new carb kit (from MAP) is not very good. I seem to be having issues with the air/fuel adjustments.

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Re: Mikuni Tuning on a Trident [Re: gzrglyde] #568006
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what are the MAP jets? and carb size

Re: Mikuni Tuning on a Trident [Re: gzrglyde] #568033
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I would find a smart engineer, buy him a large bottle of exotic rum and borrow his colortune.


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Re: Mikuni Tuning on a Trident [Re: gzrglyde] #572699
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get a uni syn as well. the two together are unbeatable



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Re: Mikuni Tuning on a Trident [Re: kevin roberts] #572736
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Originally Posted By: kevin
get a uni syn as well. the two together are unbeatable



I bought one second hand but have never used it manly because I'm not sure how.
I understand that this tool is used to sync carbs but all the instructions I've read describe using the throttle stop screws to adjust, this is fine to get all carbs in sync at idle but what about above idle?


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Re: Mikuni Tuning on a Trident [Re: shel] #572881
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Originally Posted By: shel

I bought one second hand but have never used it manly because I'm not sure how.
I understand that this tool is used to sync carbs but all the instructions I've read describe using the throttle stop screws to adjust, this is fine to get all carbs in sync at idle but what about above idle?

Not that difficult with a triple. Raise the 'idle' using the throttle-stop bolt on the manifold, then adjust individual carbs with the adjuster on top of the manifold.
It gets tricky with twins. I tighten the tension screw on the throttle until it will stay in position at higher throttle openings and adjust the cables. After that I adjust the idle-stop screws. You will need to adjust the screw on the back of the UniSyn so the little bead is in the center at each throttle setting.
That said, this will only get your throttles synched, won't affect the mixture. Good luck with the Mikunis. I've had mine for a couple of years and finally got the set up right. At least you are starting with what MAP thinks is close.
BTW: I have the same question about the ColorTune. How the heck are you supposed to run down the road at WOT, or even half throttle, and peer down to see what color your combustion is?


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Re: Mikuni Tuning on a Trident [Re: gzrglyde] #572894
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Quote:
BTW: I have the same question about the ColorTune. How the heck are you supposed to run down the road at WOT, or even half throttle, and peer down to see what color your combustion is?


You don't, it does not have the heat transfer properties of a proper spark plug and your engine will overheat, it can only be used with the bike stationary.

Here are the instructions in colour.

http://www.carbtune.co.uk/Images/Colour%20Chart%201.jpg

http://www.carbtune.co.uk/Images/Colour%20Chart%202.jpg

http://www.carbtune.co.uk/Images/Colour%20Chart%203.jpg

http://www.carbtune.co.uk/Images/Colour%20Chart%204.jpg

Re: Mikuni Tuning on a Trident [Re: gzrglyde] #573042
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Just as I suspected, too much money for a gizmo which will tell me what my ears have already revealed.


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Re: Mikuni Tuning on a Trident [Re: gzrglyde] #573134
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I was out in the garage last night and I was looking at my uni syn and it seems the adjuster screw is missing so it's not much good if I can't find a replacement.
I also bought a colortune a couple years ago but haven't used it yet. My Bonnie has Mikunis on it and once dialed in don't require a lot of attention and my Trident has ran well since first start up so I haven't messed with the carbs much.
Both bikes will get a good going over in the spring, I may play with the carb tuner toys then.


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Re: Mikuni Tuning on a Trident [Re: shel] #573165
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the unisyn and colortune both work only for setting final idle mixture up to 1500 rpm or so on a twin or triple. if you're not idling your bike then they won't do anything important for you.

shel, i'm not sure what adjuster screw you're talking about. on the unisyn, you set the idle as best you can using the mixture and throttle stop screws, then set the unisyn on the carb and screw in the venturi wheel until the floating bead lines up with one of the lines in the tube. then you set it on the other cylinder and mess with the carb screws until the bead sits at the same height. if the bike's idling too high, turn down both throttle stops and balance again. all it does is balance the carbs, but it does it very precisely.

the colortune is also just a fine adjustment for idle. try to ride with it and it will blow out the middle.

you don't need them to tune a bike, just like you don't need feeler gauges to set the valves. but they make it quick and exact, and let me do a better job.


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"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: Mikuni Tuning on a Trident [Re: kevin roberts] #573166
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if you're tuning the mikunis at higher rpms and loads, then the old pointer-tape-on-the-throttle and plug chops are what i do. i,ve run 32 mm mikunis on my triumph for ages, and they respond well to tuning


"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: Mikuni Tuning on a Trident [Re: shel] #573260
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Originally Posted By: shel
I was out in the garage last night and I was looking at my uni syn and it seems the adjuster screw is missing so it's not much good if I can't find a replacement.

My bad, there is no adjuster screw as such. To adjust the opening you screw the dome-shaped thing in the center in or out.


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Re: Mikuni Tuning on a Trident [Re: gzrglyde] #573262
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On the cross bar piece across the top the center is threaded so I thought something was missing. I'll have a closer look at it next time I'm out there.
I plan on playing around with the uni syn and colortune when it warms up.


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