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A65 Rear fender #572143
11/14/14 1:50 pm
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Could anyone tell me if there a difference between the rear fender on a 1968 Thunderbolt and the Firebird models. There is a different part# for the top loop bracket so my concern is would the holes line up from Firebird to a Thunderbolt ? Thanks.

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Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: Hambone] #572228
11/14/14 10:10 pm
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I will have to check, but I think the difference is that the hoop made to allow the passenger grab rail on the T-Bolt and Lightning has lugs that do not show on the F-B. Is the fender the same part number in the 2 books? The top heavy wall frame tube ends, that the seat bolts to would still be the same, and it is the main fender support. The removable hoop, has the 2 lugs pointing down at the tail light, which would be the same on both models.

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Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: Hambone] #572277
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Thanks KC, switching the fender (same part#) from one model A65 to another was my concern; so I am assuming that the pre-drilled mounting holes in the fender are the same no mater the A65 model type?????????

Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: Hambone] #572290
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Yes, I think that is true, at least with the late '60s bikes. I just got done with a fender mounting on a '67. I had thought the different '67 and '68 T-lites were an issue. Not so. Both mount on the same fender and clear the hoop etc. The early A65s with the full valenced fenders must use a different hole pattern, no experience there on my end, just looking at them.


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Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: KC in S.B.] #572508
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Yes KC,
The full valenced fenders for the early full loop frames have a different bolt hole spacing, there is also no loop [ so these early fenders tended to whip back and forth, hence the 'improvement' of the loop addition! ], and, I have personally seen that the tabs on the full loop frames tend to fracture off. Had to replace one on one of my frames...

I'm thinking I'll try to facilitate a loop of some sort.. Maybe in the form of a luggage rack???

Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: Hambone] #572541
11/16/14 9:56 pm
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Originally Posted By: Hambone
Could anyone tell me if there a difference between the rear fender on a 1968 Thunderbolt and the Firebird models. There is a different part# for the top loop bracket so my concern is would the holes line up from Firebird to a Thunderbolt ? Thanks.


In '68 the frame, rear fender, upper bridge, and rear fender stiffener bracket, all have the same part numbers for all of the A65 and A50's.


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Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: Hambone] #572558
11/17/14 12:51 am
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Correcting myself, not that it affects the original post, but the fender hoop that attaches to the upper shock bolts and rear to the fender, is the same on F-B and others. I was wrong to think no Grab Bar would mean no lug on the hoop. It's there just not used. Does not affect the fender mounting at all, so by now you must have that fender mounted??? ;-)
Got mine back from the chrome shop and mounted after some frame tweeking to line things up. On to the next issue.....

Has anyone else noticed that using the F B (without the space) in a sentence to mean Firebird, results in the post reading FACEBOOK? Sure am tired of these machines being smarter than me, and making corrections I don't want !

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Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: Hambone] #572638
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Thanks everyone but I got out bid on the fender anyway, but still in the market for one for my 69 thunderbolt. Has anyone purchased one of those made in India ?????????

Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: Hambone] #572640
11/17/14 1:49 pm
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Contact Auto Cycle in the UK, they were one of the original suppliers to bsa and the guards are still top quality. They are supplied undrilled which makes it easier to get the guard how you want it.


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Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: Hambone] #572797
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Hi Allan, Curious. Does Auto Cycle have parts sold thru dealers? I finally got a rear fender rechromed to use on a A65, but I am sure there had to be a less expensive way to go. The chrome work was $200, the fender over $100, so well over $300 in the process. I was seriously thinking of Paint! Chrome is one real reason BSAs are harder to restore than Triumphs !

Just found them: http://www.auto-cycle.co.uk/#mud

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Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: Hambone] #572802
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I believe Speedwell was the original supplier of fenders and other tin parts for BSA and Autocycle Engineering was able to buy the stampings and dies from them when they went out of business. Unfortunately some of the dies were scraped before they could get a hold of them. Chris Williams, the owner, has the fenders done in batches so sometimes you have to wait until he has enough orders to run a batch. He has a parts list online and will sell them direct.


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Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: Allan Gill] #572811
11/18/14 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted By: Allan Gill
..They are supplied undrilled which makes it easier to get the guard how you want it.

Yes, but the undrilled fenders do not have the 1.5" doublers underneath like the drilled orginals do at the front and top bridge mounting points. I use squares from an old scrap fender for the doublers and silicone them on. From an old fender they have the correct bend in them. I suppose large automotive fender washers bent to the correct curve would also work.


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Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: KC in S.B.] #572814
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Originally Posted By: KC in S.B.
...The chrome work was $200, the fender over $100, so well over $300 in the process....

I think $200 for the re-chrome isn't too bad. A re-chrome of a chain guard and a rear fender, with minor body work included, cost me $848 at Sherm's in Sacramento. Granted it was for their 'best' (they have 'good', 'better', 'best' available) which included block sanding before and after the copper plating.


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Re: A65 Rear fender [Re: Gary E] #572829
11/18/14 3:52 pm
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Originally Posted By: Gary E
Originally Posted By: Allan Gill
..They are supplied undrilled which makes it easier to get the guard how you want it.

Yes, but the undrilled fenders do not have the 1.5" doublers underneath like the drilled orginals do at the front and top bridge mounting points. I use squares from an old scrap fender for the doublers and silicone them on. From an old fender they have the correct bend in them. I suppose large automotive fender washers bent to the correct curve would also work.


This is what I have done with mine... Well almost.

I made several curved straps mimicking that used where the frame loops meet, this acts like a tie bar and so far prevented splitting, because the UK number plate is much larger than the U.S. version I used 40mm penny washers behind the bottom number plate mount.

KC: I honestly don't know if they have any US vendors but I do believe they sell/export a lot of guards. As Boomer says they make in batches, you can be lucky and get one quickly or be at the beginning of the order as I was.

What I can say is after comparing the AutoCycle guard with the original I could not find any difference between them.


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