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Well.....it seemed like a good idea.

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Tried it for the first time tonight and I "think" it'll work. I still need to complete the axle upgrade AND find a stiffer shock for the sidecar. I had a heck of a time finding a shock that fit the Velorex the first time around....not sure how I'll do trying to find one a lot stiffer. Going to pull it off tonight and see what I can come up with in the shop.

I have stiffer shocks for the bike so I think I'm okay there.

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I'm not reinventing the wheel here (pun intended) this has been done before....nothing new.

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My better half walked out while I was taking these photo's and asked " Why do you need 2 bikes?".......women laughing

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Oh well....I might not be able to pull this off...but I'm going to try.

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Gordon,
How about just buying a much stiffer spring?

Isn't there someone making various springs for forks and shocks?

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Originally Posted by Rickman
Gordon,
How about just buying a much stiffer spring?

Isn't there someone making various springs for forks and shocks?


Brett, that is a good idea but I can't seem to be able to get this cute Italian shock apart and it works so well with the Velorex's body I don't want to mess it up.

My mentor ( I didn't go into this blind) told me to call Progressive or Hagon (he likes Progressive better) and have them make me a shock. I've looked on Hagon's web site ( I like their site better) and they offer a shock in my length and I can get it with an extra hard damping spring.

SO.....I'm going to call them both Monday and give them the:

Extended length
Compressed length
Weight of the bikes
Weight of the sidecar
Weight of the rider blush
Bolt size at the eyes

And see what they suggest.

I'm cutting it close and won't be able to ride around much before heading to the OSMR....but I'm okay with that.

Gordon

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My biggest concern is the height of the channel the "spare" bike rides in.
I see you have the unistrut attached to the top of the body mount points.
Although it's just a few inches I'd feel better if the channel was mounted directly to the main frame members.
Left handers could become exciting with the higher COG. If your rear wheel leaves the ground, you could be in trouble.

Your B50 looks soooo good, even without the tank!

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I thought about keeping it lower...but couldn't come up with a good (read quick) way to attach the channel to the frame. It's 2 1/2 " higher the way I have it. I rode it around a bit. Didn't want to bend an axle.... frown and it felt fine.

Floyd already drilled three small holes in the frame and I forgot about them until I got the chair off this time and was mad at myself for not fixing them when I had a chance...I will get them before the body goes back on.

The weight is still rearward....and I have reduced wheel lead (set it up that way to begin with) I also will be using a different wheel/tire with the axle upgrade. Not sure you noticed but I have 2 sets of lower strut attachments (on the subframe)to allow for the smaller wheel. That will cut the 2 1/2 " down 1 1/4" lower than it is now. There will also be a soft (as in 4 wheeler) 32" X 10" trunk sitting on the unistrut.... with fluids, spares, and tools.....more weight low down.

The way I looked at it....if I was sitting in the chair...on a 2" cushion.....my body mass would line up where the B50 engine is.

I could be all wrong....but I'm not going to change it for a couple of inches.

I'll stock up on bandaids..... laughing

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Originally Posted by Gordon Gray

My better half walked out while I was taking these photo's and asked " Why do you need 2 bikes?".......women laughing


My answer to that question is "because I can't afford three right now" grin
Looks good Gordon, can't wait to see it up close. I had the same idea a while back for going to the TSMR. Thought I might find an older Goldwing or something and do this. I like yours better!


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You know Mike....I'm just doing this for the heck of it. I figure one or two times a year would be all I'd use it for.

I know the extra weight is going to make it a slug....I rode it for the first time yesterday but the poor little sidecar shock was overloaded and I still have the wire wheel axle in place...so I didn't ride it much at all. I cobbled together a better shock from some bits I had in the shop (don't ya just love having spares?) and will ride it a little more this weekend...in between working all weekend and Monday too.

I've been thinking about Don's concerns and went out with the "spare" bike off the rail and stood on the front of the rail and bounched up and down....because of the suspension I couldn't get the rear wheel to leave the ground. Going to load the "spare" back up this afternoon and try it with the "spare" in place.


I'm working with a fellow on this who has been in the sidecar business for almost 40 years and has had a lot of different outfits.....so having his opinion is a comfort.

Every time I start to realize just how crazy this is....I slip over to you tube and watch a few videos of the crazy stuff people carry on motorcycles....and I always come away from that feeling better.

I've said it a hundred times and looking at me today it's hard to imagine but I used to spend days at a time on a pedal bike..... a couple of hundred miles a weekend was nothing and 50 miles was like a trip to the store. So when I can do 50 mph down a paved road....I feel like I'm flying. Having to slow down with this outfit to 35-40 mph going up a steep grade
will still be 500% - 800% faster than I used to climb the same type of hill on a pedal bike. If I can just do this ONCE....for this years OSMR....I'll be as happy as a little girl.


See ya soon......one way or another....one bike or two laughing

Your "loose screw" friend in NC, Gordon

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Ok I'll bite on this one. Is the purpose of this outfit (1) to transport a bike?, (2)to have spare parts on a trip so you know exactly where they are?, (3)to have a return ride when you have to take the rig to a shop for service? (4)to do it because you can? or (5) All of the above?

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Originally Posted by Mr Mike
Ok I'll bite on this one. Is the purpose of this outfit (1) to transport a bike?, (2)to have spare parts on a trip so you know exactly where they are?, (3)to have a return ride when you have to take the rig to a shop for service? (4)to do it because you can? or (5) All of the above?

Mr Mike


1. Transport a bike? YES

2. To have spare parts on a trip so you know exactly where they are? NO

3. To have a ride when you have to take the rig to a shop for service? UH....you're kidding right?.."a shop for service"...NO

4. To do it because you can? SORTA

5. All the above? NO


This will be my fourth OSMR. My 1967 BSA B44VR has been to all three with me. Two trips up in the back of a truck, last year I rode the bike there and back.

I REALLY want to ride my B50 at this year's OSMR but don't trust it enough to do all 1500 miles on it.

I don't have a personal truck right now. I gave my son the Ranger and I have a new work truck that I drive but can't take it to PA. So I came up with a way to get the bike up there....or at least I think I can.

One of the reasons I LOVE Mike G's OSMR is the pace. I've never heard anybody complain and I have been able to keep up on my B44 without a problem. 5-10 miles an hour over the posted speed limit is still fun for me.....the pace I can't keep up with on a 46 year old B44 is the 70-80 mph stuff. The bike just isn't happy and neither am I. I don't want to go to the trouble of taking the sidecar and subframe off for the ride up and if I leave it on.....I won't be able to keep up at Mike's pace with the outfit...I'm just not there yet.

So I have options.

1. Haul the B50 up there on the B44 outfit.

2. Remove the sidecar and subframe and ride the B44 up there. (again)

3. Keep the sidecar on, ride the outfit up there and try my best to keep up. (I am getting better)

4. Ride the B50 up there and back and hold my breath the whole way.

One way or the other.....I'm going to get there.

I had always wanted to haul my Trials BSA to events but never got around to it....so that seed was planted a long time ago.

For me, doing something different...is fun.

I have a lot of work to do between now and then but I'm moving forward and so far no major hicups.

Cheers....."loose screw" Gordon in NC



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Gordon - I think a fender is mandatory in PA. Best advice I ever got re riding, and doubly important on the outfit. "Always ride your own ride!" You've already said this, but it's easy to forget when you're trying to keep up with those Commandos, Bonnevilles and Lightnings. I learned 1st hand, and always ride my own ride, even if it means being alone, which we all pretty much are on these old vintage bikes out on the road. Still everybody likes to see them, and everyone seems to like sidecar outfits, at least that's been my experience.


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Originally Posted by BOB in NW PA
Gordon - I think a fender is mandatory in PA. Best advice I ever got re riding, and doubly important on the outfit. "Always ride your own ride!" <snip>


Mr Bob, I have an axle upgrade to install on the Velorex frame and it comes with a modular wheel. I have a plastic fender that fits that wheel...just gota get it done.

Today I mounted the B50's tank and so far (fingers crossed) no leaks. Swapped out the B44s rear shocks with a new pair of stiffer units. Got the new Spitfire windscreen on the B50 too (in between breaks at work)

I hate to sound anti social....but I rather ride alone....most of the time. smile

OH....I'm available for adoption smile. I mow grass, wash cars, trucks and RV's. I keep my room clean too. I would look pretty good sitting on the seat of your beautiful unit single...just food for thought. laughing

Take care Mr Bob....your friend in NC, Gordon

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Gordon that is a ripper of a setup! My wife laughed at your wife's comment. I'm taking that as permission... A question, can you see over the bike when you're riding? I'm worried I'd feel a bit boxed in. But if that's all good, I'm thinking a modular system with an interchangeable car/rack for project number 742. The long relaxing trundle on the M21 with the faster more-expensive-to-fix bike on the side. Bloody fun genius if you ask me.
cheers Brett

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I can hear one of my teachers at marine engineers school...
"Use your grinder. Get rid of those sharp corners"...
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I like it.


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And Ger, that ignition plate works like a charm!

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Brett,

Yes sir, I can see over and around the bike. As a plus...I can also use the "spare" bike's mirror. My wife is used to my hairbrained ideas after 23 years of being married to me....she says I can go ANYWHERE I want, as long as my life insurance is paid up! laughing

Ger,

I had just picked up the rail and got it bolted down. I wasn't sure if I was going to fab up a front wheel chock/stop so I left all four corners square. I have decided to not go with a stop/chock and WILL round those corners off. Good eye. smile

I have my fingers crossed an eBay auction will take care of my car shock problem. I got some stuff done this weekend but still have lots more to do. Fabed up a tank strap that was missing. (Triumph tank on a BSA frame) I got it painted and will install it this afternoon after work. Then I can finally ride the B50 after months of it sitting there unused.

It's either going to be fun or a nightmare.....I can live with a 50/50 chance of having fun.

Take care, updates to follow...."loose screw" Gordon in NC

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Thanks Brett.

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I teached industrial safety... smile


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Ger wrote: "I teached industrial safety..."

Ger, I'm a commercial construction superintendent...I should know better. smile

I took it for a spin again tonight. LAST time before the axle, wheel and shock upgrade. My mentor wants me to move the rail further away from the bike....and I agree after my ride tonight (I was paying a lot more attention and rode it a lot further tonight)He wants it moved for balance and I want it moved because I had the tank on tonight and didn't like how close the handle bars were to it. frown I'm going to move it 3" and hold it there. I scored a pair of "almost" new Hagon Slim Line Road shocks the perfect size 11" and they already have the extra heavy duty springs...talk about luck, $75 shipped. No more riding the outfit until all that is done. OH.....and I changed my mind again, I have to fab front and rear wheel stops/chocks. I got to thinking how exciting it would be to be in a tight downhill left hander and have the "spare" bike roll off the rail. shocked

I went ahead and pulled the tank off the B44 so I can get to a stripped rocker box stud. Ordered a new rear tire. I went with a cheapo this time around....one that matches the front and when that one wears out I'm going to look at going to a wider rim on the rear and size up the front while I'm at it.

The B44 pushes it along pretty well.....I think I can make this work.

Forgot how much fun the B50 is.....looking forward to putting some miles on it before it's trip to the OSMR.

Take care "loose screw" Gordon in NC




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Originally Posted by Gordon Gray
[quote=Mr Mike]Ok
For me, doing something different...is fun.


Cheers....."loose screw" Gordon in NC




Gordon,
I like to try new things too. I horse traded a jet ski I rebuilt and got running for a small sailboat last week and have spent the past three or four days sorting out the rigging and fixing things. Gonna sail it tomorrow. I have absolutely zero experience sailing but after tomorrow I am gonna know something about it. I have always been a power boat guy so this will be some fun.

I'd be a good companion for you with your outfit. I have no interest in going fast anymore.

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Mr Mike....have fun sailing. I've done a little and if the boat's not too big you'll be able to feel your way through it.

A little kicker helps get you in and out of the marina without bumping into something.

I would be honored to ride along with you.....any time, any where.

Have fun...be safe.....sunscreen, life jacket...and a BIG smile


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Well damnit, I'm going to have to put this one on the back burner for awhile. This is as far as I got.

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The wheel chock is just mocked up in the photo...there's another one just like it for the rear once the bike's on the rack. I moved the rail out toward the chairs wheel and now it is attached to the body mount.

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I kept dragging my feet on switching out the chair's swingarm with the larger axle. Really like the Velorex's wire wheel much better than this trailer wheel....but I need the modular wheel to help carry the weight.

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This one's for Ger.....sharp corners taken care of sir. smile

I'm goin to do this one day....maybe in the spring I'll get to hook up with the Georgia boys again at TWOS and I can take the B50 over there so I can play too.

I'll get back to it....just not going to happen any time soon.

Gordon


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So, with your recent success concerning the B50 is the plan back on again?

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How did you know that was the first thing I was going to look for? laughing

Fine job Gordon. Did you bend the front wheel catch yourself?
I wish you a lot of troublefree miles. :bigt


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Gordon--just as a matter of interest--it was a very common sight at road race meetings in UK in the 1960s to see in the paddock racing bikes arriving on a channel such as yours on a sidecar chassis attached to a Panther or big side valve BSA. In those days money was very tight and that was a cheap way of transporting a racing bike around.
Along with 3 friends four of us raced a 1938 BSA Empire Star engine in a featherbed frame. Money was tight (in the saying of the day we didn't have two halfpennies to rub together). We shared one racing license and took turns to race the bike. We had an old van --in very poor condition such that it used more oil than gas.
I remember driving home on several Sunday evenings after a days racing and the van running out of gas. We didn't have any money for more gas so had to take the racing bike out of the back of the van and drain the gas from the racing bike in order to get home!
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Tridentman,

I know I wasn't reinventing the wheel....I've seen photo's of outfits like the one I was putting together. It does look a bit hair brained....but I love the idea and will pull it off one day.

Sounds like you had some fun when you were younger, hope you still are. Maybe one of these day we will get a chance to sit around the fire together, I'd love to hear some of your tales.

Ger.....no sir...with the pipe bender I have here the smallest 360 I could get was 6" and I needed them to be smaller....so I picked those up for cheap off of Amazon.

Don, I've flopped back and forth on it. I rode the B50 today and it was fine (and VERY STRONG) but I still have that uneasy feeling that it's going to stop again....knowing all the time there's a good chance I got it. So....next year? Later this fall to TWOS for a camping trip? I'll take the outfit to PA which to tell the truth should be a hoot...I remember last year thinking how in the world would I miss the potholes on an outfit....you said it would be easy and I see that now. So it'll be an adventure...just not exactly like I planned..but an adventure just the same. I bet I won't run into another 1967 B44VR outfit 600 miles away from home. laughing

Take care....Pokey

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glad you decided to use something better than that tape measure for the rear wheel chock.


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Originally Posted by kevin
glad you decided to use something better than that tape measure for the rear wheel chock.


Damn blush you weren't supposed to catch that. blush

I was putting around a bit, just up and down the driveway when I started thinking what would happen if the "hauled" bike came off the rail....I almost had heart failure laughing right there and then....and inched the bike back inside the garage and started working on a plan to MAKE SURE that didn't happen. Purchased the wheels stops and 4 brand new heavy duty ratchet straps....plus I already have a couple of straps to secure the wheels to the rail....and a couple to cross up for back and forth movement. smile

I'm thinking I'll try a camping trip in the spring if I can't get one together this fall....500+ round trip should be a good shake down ride.

Sometimes things just don't work out the way we plan them...Pokey

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I've got the hauler hooked back up. No photos yet but I'll share some tonight. I'm not happy with the front wheel chock but can live with it for now and me and the fender are still fighting each other. I had to replace the bearings in the chair's swingarm when I did the axle upgrade. I have to say....I REALLY don't like the look of the modular wheel and would rather use a spoked wheel....but for now, I'll live with that too.

I have a friend who owns a local bike shop and he's having a vintage bike show this weekend (their 11th year putting on the show)and he keeps bugging me to bring something over. The shop sells an asian brand and most of the vintage bikes that show up are from the big three and to tell the truth I'm not interested in them...just not my cup of tea but this year I told him I'd show up with something "different". laughing

IF......the outfit doesn't fall apart getting over there I'll be sure to take and share plenty of photos. It should be good for a laugh at least. laughing

Later......Pokey


OH....and for this set up....I set up the "lean out" with the bike and the hauler loaded. Had to get my wife to help me but as it turned out we both had fun with it. :bigt

I'll ride it this afternoon for the first time set up like this.....I'll keep my fingers crossed it works out.

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I'm the kind of person that figures things work out for a reason...sometimes you never know the reason but there's one out there.

I didn't get to the show yesterday, my wife needed me to take care of something for her so that's what I ended up doing. I did run over there late in the day on the B50 just to make a showing but bad weather was setting in and they were closing down.

So today....I have the house to myself but it's been raining most of the day....but I was itching to give the hauler a try so I waited for some slack in the rain and when it did I rolled the hauler out of the garage and off I went. I guess all together I put 50 miles or so on it....rain and all.

Here's a walk around of the hauler outfit....complete except for the fender.

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I had thought I'd leave the B50 on the outfit and practice with it during the week.....BUT.... frown It's not going to work...that's the reason I wasn't able to take it to the OSMR...that happened for a reason.

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So I rolled the B50 off of it and this will be the last photo of my first attempt at this.

I'm not giving up on the idea....but I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy about all the stresses I was seeing put on the poor Velorex frame...so it's back to the drawing board.

The B44 handled the extra weight just fine and the outfit tracked well. I had it up to 60 mph with out it pulling in either direction. BUT....the hauled bike wants to move and all that stress is focused on the Velorex's frame which is not known for being that strong to begin with. I need a different frame and a firmer swingarm/shock set up.

For now.....I'll take this apart and set it back up for the chair...it's happy with that.

I'm not giving up...just need a different idea.

Pokey

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Looks like a lot of weight forward of the axle Gordon. Was the flex front to back or side to side as the hauled bike rocked?


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Mike, I had nothing to go by but guessing so I put the hauled bike in line with the hauler. Not sure how it would work putting it more toward the rear. I tried to match where a person would be sitting if they were in the chair????? and their weight would be mostly on their bum.

The bike was held down pretty good ( I didn't use the BIG ratchet straps, but would on a longer trip) and I'm probably confussing things by using the term "movement" because the bike did not move on the rail at all. But it was side to side/front to back "strain" was what I was seeing as it's weight worked on the outfit's suspension.

The thing is....I can see how to improve it but I don't want to mess with the Velorex frame and have decided to make my own instead. I'll use the 20mm axle upgrade as a starting point and what I want to change is...

1. I want two shocks instead of one.

2. I want the frame to extend further under the "rail" front and rear. As it was, there were only 4 - 3/8" bolts holding it to the frame....and that uni strut I used was never designed to hold something that has "moment?" forces applied to it like I had it.

3. I want something to hard fasten the hauled bike to the frame...not sure how to do that yet but picture a set of posts that you can clamp the front forks to...or something like that.
Relying on nylon straps/rope 100% to hold the bike on the hauler worries me. I had it strapped down at the forks and at the same time I had it tied down to the frame at the swing arm...and then two ratchet straps pulling it into the wheel stop. It would stand up straight with just the swing arm tied off. But every time I went around a corner (right or left) I couldn't help but think of what would happen if the straps/rope failed. shocked That would get nasty in a hurry with no way out of it.

Keep in mind this whole deal is for your OSMR and my trip up there is a TWISTY one. If I was just going to ride down the Interstate....it probably wouldn't be so bad like it was.

I'm hooking the chair back up and won't mess with a good thing (IMO the Velorex is PERFECT for the B44) any more.

I'm slowly thinking about ways to get this done.

I sat down the other night and couldn't get Marlin's Hinkley out of my mind...he had it for sale and it "was" in my price range. I even wrote him a PM.....but then chickened out and didn't send it. But I can't get the thought of it out of my mind. See what failure will do to a fellow!!!!! laughing

Me on a Triumph....oh Lord crazy

I haven't given up the idea...just need to make it where I won't worry the whole way up to PA and back.

Pokey

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My thoughts....(for what that's worth laughing ) The weight bias on both bikes is probably more towards the front wheel. If the hauler and the hauled bikes are about neck and neck with each other that could mean you have a lot more forward weight than you think, assuming the sidecar wheel is approx. 10 inches ahead of the B44 rear wheel. This might be why it's putting strain on the sidecar swingarm and shock?? Move the B50 back and center the weight more on the axle? AS far as stiffening the whole frame, maybe a piece of diamond plate aluminum over the whole thing? Securely bolted around the perimeter of the hack? Take some of the torsional flex out?? A solid strut(s) from the hauled bike to the sidecar frame near where the struts from the tow bike mounts sounds like a good idea as well.
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I agree with MikeG--I think you should aim for the center of gravity of the "carried" bike to be above the sidecar axle/wheel.
This would mean the carried bike sticking out behind the rear of the sidecar bike.
Well--so be it--that is what red flags are for!
Seriously-- that corresponds with what I remember in the pits at Mallory Park, Brands Hatch, Snetterton etc in UK in the 1960s when this was a common way of transporting racing bikes to and from the race circuit.
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TM and MikeG...I think you guys are on to something. I couldn't see the forest for the trees. smile

On my next attempt I'll move the carried bike rearward.

Mike "IF" I'm still going to use the B44 as the tug....I'm going to have to keep the weight down as much as possible. The way it was set up with both bikes, rail/frame/wheel, rider and gear the total weight was getting VERY close to 1000 lbs.

The frame I'm working on now needs to be strong....but light as possible. I'm looking at a way to "mount" the bike to the car frame using the centerstand lugs. The rail will be attached to the frame in four places instead of two and the shock tower will fit double shocks. I'm still going with the four point attachment and have already located a new set.

I'm not messing with the Velorex's frame anymore....it works very well with the B44 and I need to set it back up and then just keep tweaking it a bit here and there until I'm happy with it....but no more "double use" ideas for it.

Thanks for the help fellows....it helps a lot....Pokey

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I don't think you have to mount the carried bike all that rigidly to the sidecar frame.
The "trough" that you have used will be perfectly adequate. Then rachet strap the carried bike to the frame with two straps on each side and ---away you go.
I am thinking of the comparison with my carrying a bike on my trailer.
The front wheel is in a wheel chock. The weight of the carried bike is carried via the wheels/tires onto the trailer bed (just like your "trough"). Then I have two rachet straps each side whose function is purely to stop the carried bike leaning over.
On my trailer I have carried dozens of bikes thousands of miles with no problems.
Hope this analogy helps you with your thinking.

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why not put the bike on back wheel first? that changes the weight distribution totally, and gives clearance between bars and driver.
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Originally Posted by mr.moto
why not put the bike on back wheel first? that changes the weight distribution totally, and gives clearance between bars and driver.
Pat. A.


:bigt Excellent idea! Amazing how the obvious is often so hard to see.


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Originally Posted by Tridentman
<snip> I am thinking of the comparison with my carrying a bike on my trailer. <snip>


Tridentman...I have a lot of respect for your opinion but I have to disagree with you on this one.

I too have carried a bunch of bikes on the back of trailers and pickups...thousands of miles without a problem or at least if something was getting loose I pulled over and fixed it. I do use 4 tiedown straps when I can.

BUT.....if there WAS a failure....what gets hurt? Probably the bike that was strapped down...and or the bike next to it. Worst case would be if it fell off completely. (never heard of that except with that Ton-up (?) trailer failure) But if it fell over with it riding next to you......I see that getting ugly really fast. Securing the bike to the frame with a rigid connection will make me feel a lot better and is going to be one of the easier tasks to design into the rig. There will still be tie down straps on it....the rigid connection is just a saftey measure.

Thanks for the help......and your opinion, like I said...I have a lot of respect for it.

Pokey

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Originally Posted by mr.moto
why not put the bike on back wheel first? that changes the weight distribution totally, and gives clearance between bars and driver. Pat. A.


Uh........there's 1 1/2" difference between the center of the engine (at the crank) and the centers of the axles. Yes, the distance between the rear axle and the engine center is the longest....but would that really matter that much? Where is the most weight? If I place a scale under the tires...won't the rear weigh more than the front?

Bar clearance is an issue....but I'd have to have the bike on the rail to check that and right now....the rail is frameless.

BUT it's something I will consider and try it out on a mock up.

Thanks for the help.....Pokey

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Gordon-- I agree--if the carried bike fell over it would not be pretty.
However---I have never had a bike even start to fall over on my trailer.
And with you on the ridden bike right alongside the carried bike arguably you would be very sensitive to the first slight sign of any problem.
But---your bike--and your decision.
Best of luck whichever way you decide to go.

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Gordon,

My friend Dusty hooked a sidecar to his V-7 Sport and carried his Rickman Matisse to Motocross races for years. He built the frame himself, so it was lower and it may have been wider, but the bike bars were further away. I think you could move the rail outboard a little and other than that, I think you are good to go. Just be conservative.

My bike is 47% rear 53% front for weight bias, which is essentially 50/50. I will say that I would like to pull it with a heavier bike. However, if you are careful I would not worry to much. I have never had a bike come free while strapped down either. Dusty sure never had an issue. Keep having fun.

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On an old bike trailer of mine the roll-on ramp was made of the same channel as that on which the bike sits and was hinged at the end. When the bike's on the car, the ramp folds up and pushes against the back tire. A simple threaded rod set-up makes the triangle which secures the ramp. The bent rod went through the channel and a spring washer and wing nut secured it. We once forgot to tie down the bike and drove for about 30km before realising - the bike hadn't moved a millimetre. With a similar scale (albeit different design) front wheel cage as yours, and a steering lock, we were more worried about damage to the rims than the likelihood of the bike falling over. But no dramas there either it turned out, like I said it hadn't moved a bit.

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Gordon, if you want to try the Hinckley, just let me know. I'll send you the house keys, and you can go get it. I won't want it until about April or May. You're more than welcome to it. I'm pretty sure my heated jacket is in the saddlebag.



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Originally Posted by HughdeMann
Gordon, if you want to try the Hinckley, just let me know. I'll send you the house keys, and you can go get it. I won't want it until about April or May. You're more than welcome to it. I'm pretty sure my heated jacket is in the saddlebag.


Marlin, I can't get it out of my mind...if you're still up to selling it we need to talk when you get a chance.

OH......the jacket laughing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohz8_IafGwE

Boys....you guys have talked me out of a hard connection. I was sitting here reading what you've said/written and I looked over the photos I took of the bike tied down and I have to agree with you all....(I can be pretty hard headed)it's not going anywhere and if it does loosen up it will be easy to catch in time....so that's out of the design which makes my work easier.

Thanks for the help.....I'll post some photos of the frame build just as soon as I can.....right now it's just "paper dolls" as Don would say.

Take care.....Pokey

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[quote=Gordon Gray.
"Marlin, I can't get it out of my mind...if you're still up to selling it we need to talk when you get a chance."


He says, as he takes another step to the DARK SIDE.....the Triumph calls out to him...... shocked crazy laughing



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The Dark Side?

Well, it could be worse.

It could be...gasp!

...a Norton!



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Originally Posted by MikeG
<snip>.....the Triumph calls out to him...... shocked crazy laughing


We were at the "Boys and Girls Night Out" campout standing around wondering what had happened to Marlin and here he comes on his Hinkley. That bike sounded REALLY good but you guys know me....I didn't pay much attention to it.....that was until Marlin mentioned he had tried to sell it and hadn't had any luck...the price was right and the fellows said right away "There you go Gordon" I just kinda blew it off and went my merry way...but damnit every time I walked by it I'd pay a little more attention to it.

Now I hadn't been talking about getting a bigger/newer bike and why the fellows thought it would suit me....I don't know. confused But out of the group of 7....4 of those fellows owned Hinkleys.

Fast forward to me riding around on the B44 hauling the B50....it worked and if I was only looking at maybe 200 mile trips...I think I could have lived with it. But I want to haul it to the OSMR....and that's a 1260+ mile round trip...I "think" I need a bigger bike to do that with. Not sure you could hook up a sidecar to the "that" Hinkley...still thinking about it and have asked around about a subframe for it....I'll have to wait and see but since I've been thinking about it...I'm not sure it'll matter if I can use it to haul with or not...I got the hots for it.

Never is a million years did I see this coming blush Still not sure what's going to come of it...but it gives me something to think about and it's keeping me out of trouble....for now wink

Pokey...who's owned and ridden a Norton...and loved it.

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To be honest, I was considering a sidecar on that bike myself. However, I thought about a leading link front end, lowered rear with car type tires, and a streamlined hack. Just like the European ones I saw while in Germany. I can just see myself coming down Rt.23 about a hundred or so, with the dog in the sidecar! Sure would make the trip more fun!

More towards reality, I really want a Supermoto for riding in the mountains, and the Hinkley may have to go for this to happen. Or maybe a S'moto with a sidecar? No, that;s probably not a good idea.

I too had Nortons. Came to a choice between my favorite hot rod bike or my license. Still have the license.


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I like the Hinkley's a lot myself. I've ridden Howard Inough's 1050 Tiger enough to know that if I had it to do over again I'd own one of them rather than my Suzuki Bandit. Can't see why one wouldn't make a fine tug. On the other hand, my license has a lot more to worry about when I'm on the Suzuki rather than the Norton. Sneaky speed and power as opposed to brute force and noise.


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