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Panic mode #558975
08/19/14 9:43 am
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Some people seem to know how to handle unexpected situations.
Apparently I'm not one of them.
My Constellation would not start after replacing the throttle cable. I pulled the plugs and found that they were seriously fouled.
Replaced them and, thinking I would have to mess about some more, was completely shocked when it started with 1/2 a kick. Unfortunately the throttle was stuck open and it started revving like a 2 stroke. Here I am pulling on the cable to no avail and finally grabbed a nearby screwdriver and pried off a plug lead which only made it run slower on one cylinder. Popped off the other and it stopped. It was only then that the tiny rational part of my brain took over and remembered that a foot away was the handlebar kill switch. Duh


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #558977
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That's why we have Battle Drills in the Army, so that when the moment of extreme crisis occurs we react instinctively and without too much thought and hopefully before panic sets in so as to fight your way through and hopefully wink be successful.

One could practice a scenario like yours over and over for that one time it should happen. I don't do that with my bikes while off of them but have run my self through the drill while seated on the bike, with quick hand movements to the kill switch. Could be a good idea to practice that while off the bike, thanks to your experience and sharing of the event George !


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #558984
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Might be a retirement thing shocked


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #558998
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I experienced something like that with an air compressor on board of a ship,
that started running as a diesel engine on its lube oil.

Try to stop that.

It stopped itself when a valve cover blew as high as the deck above it. sick

So I understand how you must have felt, George.
Don't listen to the young puppy folks with their silly remarks about retirement. laughing


Ger B

Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559001
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I miss Panic sometimes...


A smattering:
'53 Gold Flash
'67 Royal Star
'71 Rickman Metisse
'40 Silver Star
'37 Rudge Special
sixtyseventy Lightboltrocket road racer...and many more.
Re: Panic mode [Re: Alex] #559004
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Originally Posted By: Alex
I miss Panic sometimes...


:-)

Yes it was like getting dressed down by an old school master !

Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559007
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Originally Posted By: George Elston
Some people seem to know how to handle unexpected situations.
Apparently I'm not one of them.
My Constellation would not start after replacing the throttle cable. I pulled the plugs and found that they were seriously fouled.
Replaced them and, thinking I would have to mess about some more, was completely shocked when it started with 1/2 a kick. Unfortunately the throttle was stuck open and it started revving like a 2 stroke. Here I am pulling on the cable to no avail and finally grabbed a nearby screwdriver and pried off a plug lead which only made it run slower on one cylinder. Popped off the other and it stopped. It was only then that the tiny rational part of my brain took over and remembered that a foot away was the handlebar kill switch. Duh


Not the first time that's happened George.......to that bike blush I did remember the kill switch though.


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559015
08/19/14 2:36 pm
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If you've owned Japanese bikes, you'd notice that nearly every one of them have push-pull throttles just on the off chance that something like this could happen.

No British bike with AMAL carbs should ever be without a functioning kill button within easy reach. And, as John says, test it regularly. I test the one on my Norton inside a tunnel on the way to Lahaina, one of our favorite rides. It is louder than a shotgun blast!

Ger, I had no idea a compressor could do that. That's a bit terrifying, actually. I suppose you could rip off the air filter and block the air intake....providing you were brave enough to get that close. I would be far away......

I've grenaded a motor once because of a stuck throttle cable before. On Maico 490 while I was riding it, in the middle of Nowhere, Mexico. Put the rod through the very expensive magnesium cases. Kill button didn't work. Pulling off the sparkplug lead didn't work. It was also dieseling like the compressor. Nothing to do but wait for it to blow up.

Cheers
Bill


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559016
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Am I to understand that retirement is synonymous with senility? I'll still take it over work.

Mike
Maybe so but it's not like I just got it so I def should know better.

And BTW Widespread Panic is one of my top 3 or 4 bands.


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559025
08/19/14 3:28 pm
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I miss Panic as well....
When I saw the title to this thread, I thought maybe? he was back

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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559026
08/19/14 3:35 pm
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I've never been one to panic.

It seems panic leads to bad decisions. I always take a [mental] step back to QUICKLY assess a situation. There's almost always a way out. Clear thinking prevails every time....but ya gotta think fast. A shot of luck every now and then never hurts one's chances, either.

In George's situation I probably would have just reached down and turned the key off. I'm really not much of a "kill switch" kinda guy.

The phrase "kill switch" has a ring to it that just feels so...

permanent.


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559082
08/20/14 12:16 am
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How about pulling up to a Stop Light, and realizing as you put your feet down, that the Left foot shoe lace is wound around the brake peddle! Slowing falling off to the left, until I reached out and snagged my Buddies shoulder.
Funniest part was,........... he didn't even blink, just stared straight ahead. " I don't know this fool........"


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559335
08/21/14 1:24 pm
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Reminds me of the time I did my first mod on a Kawasaki Bighorn 350, after wrenching on it all night on my "work bench" (screwed an old door by it's hinges to the laundry room wall so I could flip it up out of the way)I rolled it out to the back porch after midnight just to fire it up for a second. Well...it fired up on the first kick, and immediatly started screaming full bloody wide open throttle YIKES! turned the key off-nope. hit the kill-nope. pull the plug wire-nope. turn the petcock off-nope. Oh Shhh Oh Shhh Oh Shhh - FULL PANIC MODE - finnally ripped the air filter cage off and stuffed a towel in it to choke it out. Then I ran back inside, shut off all the lights and hid (waiting for the cops to come). The next day I apologised to the next door neighbor who said he didn't hear a thing. Turns out I pinched the O ring seal for the rotary valve cover and it was running on oil.


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559346
08/21/14 2:08 pm
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Doesn't the bike have an ignition switch? Turn off the key. That's what I did when an old Honda 305 stuck wide open doing 90mph down a residential street.




Who are the brain police?



Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559351
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"Am I to understand that retirement is synonymous with senility?"


If one is retired, you have made you made more 'Good' decisions in the Panic mode than bad ones to get to that point.

BTW, if you own a Brit Bike, you are never retired....

Senility starts the day you buy the damn thing.


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Carbon monoxide making sure it's effective...
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Re: Panic mode [Re: KC in S.B.] #559366
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Originally Posted By: KC in S.B.
How about pulling up to a Stop Light, and realizing as you put your feet down, that the Left foot shoe lace is wound around the brake peddle! Slowing falling off to the left, until I reached out and snagged my Buddies shoulder.
Funniest part was,........... he didn't even blink, just stared straight ahead. " I don't know this fool........"


after riding an outfit for a year, I swapped bikes for a solo, stopped at a junction after 20 yards and wondered why the angle of the world changed. Sad thing was I managed to get my leg trapped beneath the bike and spent 5 minutes contemplating why I hadn't put my foot down, until a passing honda rider stopped to help, I told him what had happened after we picked the bike up. I followed him along the road a while and could hear his laughter over the sound of both bikes....still its nice to make someone happy
yosemite

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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559367
08/21/14 5:29 pm
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Reminds me of the time I was on my coffee break at the AIMD hangar at NAS Corpus Christi and I could hear a little 4-cylinder APU start revving out of control. I ran out to the 2nd floor railing and I could see the electrician was leaning over the battery box screwing on the carbon pile regulator to no avail; the generator load was simply increasing as the RPMs increased. Finally, the top blew off the 24 volt battery box, narrowly missing his face. The cover flew all the way up and dented the hangar roof; he got sprayed with battery acid and ran to the nearby safety shower. He was okay other than somewhat burned skin and a bruised shoulder from the flying cover.

The only time I had a bike "running away" on me and tried to pull a plug lead with my bare hands, I got the ever-loving jolt of a lifetime! THEN I hit the kill button. Duh.


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559368
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Wierd. I googled "navy 28 volt apu photos" and besides various photos of related generators and such, there were photos of Ron Paul, whats-hi-name (the late) Breitbart, swimming pools, microwave ovens, tennis shoes, a yamaha sportbike, and some Taiwanese military dude.

That google is weird, I tell you...


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559369
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Okay, this gets even weirder.

I just googled "navy nc8" which is a large, mobile, 4-cylinder supercharged diesel generator that I also used to work on.

There are photos of a guy wearing nothing but a white knitted thong/bag, Jimi Hendrix, a pregnant woman, a blue suede shoe, a green knitted duck of some sort, and a woman holding a large cat.

Yikes. The photo of Jimi is cool, the rest is just weird.

(one photo of an NC8 barely visible next to a restored A4 Skyhawk)


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559386
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Reminds me of the time ... one summer night in 1969, I was riding a 1968 Kawasaki W-2 650, I pulled off the Larz Anderson Bridge onto Soldiers Field Road westbound, hit the throttle wide open, and it stuck there. The highway curved to the right, the median guard rails were getting closer and closer, the front end was sawing back and forth as I reached forward for the ignition switch mounted on the left side of the frame just ahead of the gas tank, managed to turn the key off, the engine shut off as did the lights, I coasted across three lanes of traffic to the shoulder and stopped, pulled out the tool kit, removed the tank and freed up the junction block. And rode home to Watertown, gently. And lived to tell the tale.

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Re: Panic mode [Re: kurt fischer] #559391
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Yea we have all had them:

Pulled up to a light at a very busy intersection, going a little faster than I should have been. Pulled in the clutch and the lever snapped off right at the perch. Couldn't get it to kick out of gear because of the pressure. Jerked to a stop by holding both brakes as hard as I could, stalling the engine.

Getting home was fun.


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Re: Panic mode [Re: Roadwarrior] #559413
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Originally Posted By: Roadwarrior
Doesn't the bike have an ignition switch? Turn off the key. That's what I did when an old Honda 305 stuck wide open doing 90mph down a residential street.

Magneto no key


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559465
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I did the same thing about 30 years back but made a bigger mistake I pulled the wires off by hand. I got jolted from both wire till the motor stop rolling needless to say if I did that at this age I don't think I would be write it down. I had pulled mag cover off to check points started it up while sitting on it and throttle stuck open. Panic Mode LOL


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559518
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Almost like having a personal defibrillator in your shop. If I ever feel I'm having the big one I'll try that.


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Re: Panic mode [Re: George Elston] #559590
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Everyone has a story ... Years ago I was riding my 400 Husky in a MX Near Boise Idaho. The track was sandy and it was raining .... I have the throttle wacked on down a straight and the carb stuck wide open with wet sand that got by the foam filter. I hit the kill button and the engine started missing but still reving hard. aargh. Natch I ended up on the ground with a 400 Husky in gear and still reving. Pulled the plug wire and of course got a good shock.

The lesson here: Don't count on a single wire kill button that uses the steering head bearings as part of the circuit, even tho the button is normally effective. BTW, all modern dirt bikes have a two wire kill button ...

Grand Paul ... you mention NAS Corpus Christi .. Way back when, I spent 2 years there with ATU 611 an advanced training squadron flying S2Fs.

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