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#585835 - 02/15/15 9:24 pm Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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#585885 - 02/16/15 5:28 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Is that like 1up 3 down? I prefer it that way too, flipping the shifter sorts that. Otherwise a set of link rods can determine which way the shifter works without altering the box.


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#585949 - 02/16/15 2:29 pm Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

Just to let you see the actual cluster here is a photo taken a few days back. http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/ecosse_lynx/media/5speedcluster_zps47bfd416.jpg.html

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#585963 - 02/16/15 3:59 pm Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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If you have several bikes that shift "one down, three up," for safety reasons it would be good to have the option of the reversed cam plate for the rear-set shift lever, so down-shifting in an emergency can be done without having to think about it.

I have seen pictures of the aftermarket linkage to do this, and all look crude and "tacky."

For what this five-speed gear conversion will cost, It can't be that complicated to engineer a reversed shifter camplate for it. A conventional one has to be made, anyway.

#585982 - 02/16/15 6:01 pm Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Of all the upgrades and newer things a person could buy for their BSA these days, I have to say that to me, this is the most exciting thing I have seen.

While I would have to do some serious saving for one, I am definitely going to put it on my list of parts, etc., that I want or need to buy.

Thank you very much for the effort John !




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Hi

Just to let you see the actual cluster here is a photo taken a few days back. http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/ecosse_lynx/media/5speedcluster_zps47bfd416.jpg.html

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#586000 - 02/16/15 7:35 pm Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

Thank you for your comments Jon, much appreciated.

Irish. What about going from right to left change as well! There are a number of well made linkages on the market, or you can simple build your own to change it to one up.
I'm trying to keep the costs down, building in a reverse pattern change is not just as simple as you might think and certainly for the time being one down four up is the way it shall be sold.

regards

John

#586112 - 02/17/15 4:35 pm Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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agree with Jon W.H.

and it is on the list and had a refund from his Majesty tax department (nice chap)

however I can't fit my Newby dry belt clutch.

is there a possibility to adapt the clutch or the shaft?.

regards Anne

#648829 - 04/16/16 4:53 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K98jg7IoWJ8&feature=autoshare

What it's like. Not the best video. Although its just short shifting into 3rd 4th and 5th, if you keep power on through all the gears the excellent ratios put you right on the power and rocket you forward. 4th to 5th is closer than the old 3rd to 4th, I wondered about that, but its perfect, if 4th is not low enough just below it is 3rd.
The beautifully made cluster:


Assembled into the bearing carrier:



Really adding performance.


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#648830 - 04/16/16 5:13 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: Mark Parker]  
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Hells bells
there is not much mest between those slots.
Considering the problems with the early A 65 boxes requiring strengthening to prevent the slots separating I hope they got their metallurgy spot on.


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#648831 - 04/16/16 5:25 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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CCM Britain know their stuff ref heat treatment and materials so I would not be concerned at all.

#648832 - 04/16/16 5:27 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Trevor the selector plate is stepped and quite thick where the tracks are, which may be the way strength was added.


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#648892 - 04/16/16 2:41 pm Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

In answer to Anne's question. Sorry I missed your post. I'm fairly sure that an adaptor could be made to suite the Newby clutch, it would be a matter of talking to Newby, as this would possibly require new clutch centre, although I'm not to failure with the Newby clutch.

To answer trevor's question. There are a number of differences between the original selector plate and the 5 speed one.
a) thickness
b) heat treated
c) the dogs are back cut, therefore the gears keep themselves engaged, unlike the original which relied on the selectors and selector plate to keep the gears engaged.

hope this is of help

John

#648903 - 04/16/16 7:27 pm Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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In other words, this is a fully syncromesh gearbox?

#648928 - 04/17/16 12:07 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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No, it's constant mesh, the gears are always in mesh and slide to engage dogs to connect or disconnect them, determining which gears drive the output. On this cluster those engagement dogs are robust and dovetailed so when they are engaged they tend to hold themselves engaged.


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#649020 - 04/17/16 3:56 pm Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi John,

not to press you but when are you taking new orders for the 5-speed gearbox?.

regards Anne

#649063 - 04/18/16 6:19 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi Anne

I'll take names of those interested now. The earlier I have enough names to run a batch the earlier I can get a production slot with PES, who are always very busy. Its would probably be towards the end of the year before they would be ready, but I'd have a better Idea once I have some interest and can make a commitment.

I can send anyone wanting more information on the cluster if they email me on johnhill12@aol.com.

regards

John

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#649065 - 04/18/16 6:58 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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okay, one for me.

gearbox can be exchanged with the engine in frame, smile
I'll send you a set of newby clutch pictures as soon as possible

regards Anne

#649070 - 04/18/16 8:03 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi Anne

Your name goes to the top of the list. Yes you can swap the clusters out with the engine in the frame. Look forward to seeing how the clutch centre works on the Newby clutch.
I know the Hayward clutch system uses the standard BSA centre, so that would just be a straight swap.

regards

John

#649202 - 04/19/16 8:56 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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So I presume you are going to try it out on the way to the ABR this year ?
We are riding down from Walla Walla Friday morning if you are interested.


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#649205 - 04/19/16 9:21 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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My brother Paul sometimes goes on his A65. It would be fun to go some time.


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#649377 - 04/20/16 8:15 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: Mark Parker]  
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40th anniversary this year and a Rick Strange memorial.
Could not think of a better reason to go.
So the A65 I have been seeing there in the same frame you are using is not you ?
Did you do this a coupe of times or are there other great minds out there ?


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#649526 - 04/21/16 3:00 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

There is now two names on the list of those who have shown an interest in me making another batch of 5 speed gear clusters. You can either post your interest on here or email me on johnhill12@aol.com.

Shall update the numbers on here to keep everyone informed.

John

#649699 - 04/22/16 4:53 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hello all, I was reading Classic Racer issue 179 and came across this company:

http://novaracing.com/index.html

They are advertising an A65 gearbox and show an image of it in their advert, it`s a cassette type box and had me interested enough to give them a ring.
Turns out it`s a 5 speed unit that uses a selector drum instead of the old style selector cam plate design with it`s inherent weaknesses.
Apparently they have some prototypes out there being tested, interesting stuff they do if you take some time looking through their website. wink


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#649705 - 04/22/16 6:45 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi Skorpion

Yes, I'm aware of the Nova gear cluster. Would you care to enlighten us on the original cam plate design's "Inherent weaknesses". Perhaps some of these have been addressed in my cluster!

regards

John

#649847 - 04/23/16 4:14 am Re: New 5 speed cluster for BSA A65 [Re: JER.Hill]  
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I have the std primary with 21 front and 36 rear sprockets for final drive. So the gearing is very tall. The thing probably sounds a lot slower than it actually is. I think this illustrates just how nice these ratios are. Definitely made my BSA much more effective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz2YhbLMVdc&feature=youtu.be


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