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ANOTHER Triton? Really? #544371
05/21/14 1:19 am
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Sure, why not.

Bought a 650 Triumph engine a month back to have as a spare, then stumbled across a featherbed frame while looking for a BSA bottom end about the same time.

I already had a 70s Triumph front end w/ disc brake, spare QD rear wheel with no brake, several scruffy sets of shocks, and ran into a deal on an alloy Lyta Sprint tank, so I have the 'glass tank from my Triton left over.

Put all that together and doggone it, you've got the makings of a Triton! I'm thinking "His & Hers", wonder if Sally will appreciate it?

Pix to follow...


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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544402
05/21/14 8:51 am
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The frame took a 2 day bus ride from NC, then sat at the terminal for nearly a week because they didn't have my phone number to call me; that cost an extra $10 "storage fee" (sitting in the corner). It was certainly well-packed with about 400' of bubble wrap in both large and small bubble sizes; so it arrived in great shape-



ALL tabs are intact.
It has the loose upper/rear mount.
Tapered steering bearing cups installed.
I can't make out the serial number, it's painted over with pretty heavy paint.
There are a few scuffs, especially under the bottom rails, but it's in good shape.

Swingarm bushings appear to be in very good shape, although it's destined to get one of my spindle upgrade kits-




Last edited by GrandPaul; 05/21/14 8:53 am.

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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544403
05/21/14 8:56 am
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As previously mentioned, here's a shot of the tank-



I also make unit Triumph engine featherbed adapter mount sets, this one will be on the bike-



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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544404
05/21/14 9:04 am
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These are shots of the engine that the seller provided-





He didn't mention the pushrods & pushrod tubes were not included, although a sharp eye will see they are not in the photos (but would have assumed...)

The seller DID say the bottom end had been rebuilt "to the sludge trap", although it arrived stuck solid. New piston rings were severely gummed with what looked like shellac, as were the cam followers. Bores now have a heavy stain where the rings had landed.

I did open the primary cover and I would guess this bottom end has AT LEAST 5,000 miles on it, and has sat for well over a year since the new pistons & rings were installed. There are no other new parts on/in the engine except chrome acorn nuts that were holding the cylinders down.


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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544406
05/21/14 9:08 am
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Official project start-



I had done a swap for a client that left me with this disk brake front end-



It just so happened I had a couple of sets of tapered steering bearing, I also happened to have some narrow stem adapter sleeves-



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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544408
05/21/14 9:12 am
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Had a rough but serviceable set of original Girlings on hand-



What I DIDN'T have was a swingarm spindle bolt, so for now it's using an undersized one.

Don't look too close, that QD rear hub is missing the brake plate, sprocket bolts, and proper spacers. I have the correct axle & stub axle, but the swingarm will need to be opened up to accept the larger diameter-



That's it for now, a rolling chassis in 2 hours flat.


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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544598
05/22/14 8:36 am
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Got the engine up on the bench for a look-see. I'm not going to overhaul it, but want to know what is actually going on in there.

To start with, the sludgey varnish that stuck the rings-



Rods are quite scratched and nicked-





Small ends showed tell-tale signs of dirty overheated oil-



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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544600
05/22/14 8:43 am
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"Bottom end was overhauled to the sludge trap"

...except the person doing the work left many thousands of miles worth of crud in the bottom end, and beat up the con rods just for effect...





It's painfully obvious that this was a rough engine that got new pistons & rings. Now, what they coated them with on installation, I sure don't know.


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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544601
05/22/14 8:45 am
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Had to use an old pushrod to tap the followers out of their bores. Gummed up solid. Oil passages, too.







A bit flat-spotted, also...


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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544602
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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544603
05/22/14 8:47 am
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Pulled the ignition cap, and...



Must be one of those modern "wireless" ignition units.

Installed a complete set of points & AAU-



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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544605
05/22/14 8:50 am
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By the time I got to opening up the main covers, I expected pretty much exactly this...









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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544606
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About the same on the primary side-







Pretty cruddy outside as well-



A few redeeming factors - A) no stripped threads at all so far, B) no bodges, and C) No broken, chipped or cracked cases and/or fins.

POSSIBLY the PO got in there, got scared, stuck the pistons in with molasses, and slapped the head back on after losing the pushrods & tubes.

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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544608
05/22/14 8:59 am
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I seemed to recall having a leftover Norton central-mount oil tank like the one I used on my Triton "somewhere on the shelves". It actually only took a few seconds to spot it peeking out from under an old roll of carpet-



I just need a café racer seat to fit the slimline, and I'll have it looking like a complete Triton mock-up in a few days. I've got pretty much everything else on the shelves.


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Re: ANOTHER Triton? Really? [Re: GrandPaul] #544705
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All very cool, GP. The engine could certainly be worse, and the chassis is looking right already. Good on ya, and keep those photos coming!


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