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#534259 - 03/22/14 5:24 pm HELP 1959 Bonneville Value  
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My Dad and I have come across the opportunity to purchase a 1959 bonneville 650 t120. Turned over a few months ago, seems to be locked up at the moment. Been in a shed for a long time, so not perfect condition, less then 2k miles. Can anyone help with a value on it? I know it a desirable bike but it's hard to find examples on the web not fully restored. Thanks in advance!

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#534264 - 03/22/14 6:02 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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Get pictures. Then we'll be all over it.
Cheers,
Bill


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#534265 - 03/22/14 6:04 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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Just being able to find such a barn example should surpass the value aspect of your question?

Grab it up ASAP and take some photos and keep us all apprised?

These come up OIALT!


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#534271 - 03/22/14 6:59 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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I'm hoping to be able to get pics tomorrow

Thanks

#534474 - 03/23/14 8:34 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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We picked it up today. Looking for any information I can get value in this condition, also interested in restoration connections/suggestions. Thanks

#534481 - 03/23/14 8:59 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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Sitting in a shed, eh ?


What is the back story on this machine/purchase ?


Jon W.


1957 6T Thunderbird 650
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1955 Tiger 100 - Project
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#534490 - 03/23/14 9:56 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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Don't mess with this machine until you get more info.

Would you be willing to post the VIN & gearbox numbers?

More pictures More Pictures More Pictures PLEASE!!!


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#534491 - 03/23/14 9:59 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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Amazing,,,,,Please do not restore that, you will be shooting yourself in the foot.

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#534513 - 03/23/14 11:00 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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OMG that thing's worth a million grand!!!

No, really, this should make the front page of the local paper at least.
What a find.
Lucky chump
Everyone here would like to see more pictures.

Thanks for sharing.
Sorry, I hacked your photobucket account




Cheers,
Bill

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#534516 - 03/23/14 11:26 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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...I always have thoughts about what to do if I find one of these special machines...
let it as I found?; restore it? most important thing: ride it? or do not and if the engine fires only kick it to fire up couple times a month and let sit forever? Sell it?

I always think that and my conclusion is that better do not find any and ride a lot in my not so special year models.

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by the way, looks fantastic

#534519 - 03/23/14 11:35 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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Hey Bill.
How about you pay the first half million grand and i'll pay the second, half year on the island, half year on the mainland..... I would keep it as is, Eagle sticker on the Oil Tank and all, but for sure would get it running and ride on special occasions, how cool to show up anywhere on that baby.....

#534522 - 03/24/14 12:24 am Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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Yeesh, I don't know about that eagle sticker. Folks around here would be asking "Eh, brah, wot kine Hawley is dat?"

Personally, I would dismantle the entire motorcycle and re-assemble it after cleaning and polishing every part. I would only repair rusted parts by chemical means then touch up using old fashioned enamel.
Then it would be a preservation, not a restoration. Completely different thing.
(the pink tape has to go)
I wonder what has happened to the paint on the tank. Maybe only needs to be polished out?
Looks like the seat cover is ripped. I wonder how hard it would be to find a NOS seat cover?
I might put NOS period tires on it and ride it around no faster than 50 or so.
Maybe....
But, I'm not so good about keeping my hands off things.....
Cheers,
Bill

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#534529 - 03/24/14 2:30 am Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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Originally Posted By: Tony V
Can anyone help with a value on it? I know it a desirable bike but it's hard to find examples on the web not fully restored. Thanks in advance!


http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C371239 £19500 as stated.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C477892 £17500 as stated

I know of another in the UK for £22 000 these are however restored bikes.


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#534558 - 03/24/14 7:37 am Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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Honestly let's not get caught up n all the hype, seriously it's a50 odd year old machine, what could it possibly be worth?! If it truly needs to be gotten rid of I. Suppose I could probably take it, and I guess I would even pay freight! Yes I'm crazy I know eh! Hehe


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#534565 - 03/24/14 8:16 am Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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Congratulations

You've won the lottery!!

I'd love to know how much you paid for it!


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#534581 - 03/24/14 10:23 am Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Mattsta]  
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Originally Posted By: Mattsta

I'd love to know how much you paid for it!



Now, that is the million dollar question. My thoughts are probably not that much comparatively.


Jon W.


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#534598 - 03/24/14 11:43 am Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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I would leave it alone other than a good cleaning. Even the torn seat. Maybe see if the eagle decal and pink tape would come off. I love them with all the original patina and that one is soooo complete.



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Is that one of those TriCor tank bags?


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#534711 - 03/24/14 9:10 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Boomer]  
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#534715 - 03/24/14 9:59 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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I'm with the clean, preserve and ride occasionally brigade.
Cheers Mossy


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1954 based Thunderbird Salt Lake Racer
1979 T140E
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#534760 - 03/25/14 9:26 am Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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"They are only original once"

Clean (carefully)

Ride

Period.


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#534762 - 03/25/14 9:42 am Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: GrandPaul]  
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Tony,

I see you are getting a lot of advice, but not the value estimates you were after. Sorry, no help on that from me either. I was just wondering how the tank bag is attached to the parcel carrier rack on the fuel tank. Is the bag made of vinyl, perhaps real leather? When you get around to taking it off for cleaning or whatever, I and probably many others would appreciate some detailed pictures of that.

Wonderful find you made! Whatever you decide to do with it, someone will tell you it was wrong. You'll just have to follow your own convictions.

Ray


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#534821 - 03/25/14 1:33 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: TR6Ray]  
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Originally Posted By: TR6Ray
Tony,

I see you are getting a lot of advice, but not the value estimates you were after. Sorry, no help on that from me either. I was just wondering how the tank bag is attached to the parcel carrier rack on the fuel tank. Is the bag made of vinyl, perhaps real leather? When you get around to taking it off for cleaning or whatever, I and probably many others would appreciate some detailed pictures of that.

Wonderful find you made! Whatever you decide to do with it, someone will tell you it was wrong. You'll just have to follow your own convictions.

Ray


I did the article some time ago for someone else. Most importantly is the proof of authenticity of just what you got but this will help, but will not give a value until proof is provided.

What is my bike worth?
To make it simple, I have written this article as simple as possible for laymen like myself and this is only “my” brief overview of value.

What is value?
Very big and complex question to answer. My simple definition: This would be a price that a willing buyer is prepared to pay for a bike or article and what price a willing seller is prepared to accept for this same article for cash.
What determines value?
There are a number of things that determine value. Here is a list of them in no particular order for a bike. What is the history of the bike? What is the authenticity? Is there proof of this authenticity backed with documentary proof? Who owner the bike? Was it someone famous? Was it first year production of a famous make? Was it a last year production bike of a famous manufactures? Was it a famous race bike? Did it hold some sought of record? Is it a limited edition? Is it a sought after bike for collectors? What is the condition of the bike? I.e. Concourse, excellent, very good, good, and poor or project bike or only good for salvage parts. Is it original or restored or repaired or rebuilt etc? These are all questions that determine the values and there maybe still heaps of other questions that will help determine this value.
It is important here to remember that older is not necessary more valuable and the opposite can be said for newer being more valuable. In my view the important questions are the history of a bike, the proof thereof and the condition of the bike.
Ask yourself or anyone a question. Which is more valuable, 1955 BSA, 1955 Norton, 1955 AJS of similar model type etc? I am sure you going get a number of different answers. Showing value is not the same for each article or person.
At the end of the day you got to ask yourself are you willing to buy or sell you bike for that price offered or expected? Which comes back to my original definition: This would be a price that a willing buyer is prepared to pay for a bike or article and what price a willing seller is prepared to accept for this same article for cash.
Where to find out what’s the value of my bike?
There are several bike shops that have Classic, Vintage and Veteran bike for sale and these prices would have the asking price or the expected price that you as the buyer would be expected to accept and these would be based on recent or historical comparable sales. So check with bike shops that have bikes for sale. This price would obviously include the bike shops commission. Selling or buying the bike privately would maybe bring you more in the pocket as a seller and you may get it cheaper as a buyer but would be similar to that had it been sold by a bike shop.
Another very reliable sources is to check auction sites like Bonham’s where you can search past auction results under the different departments like “Motorcycles” try https://www.bonhams.com/ another place is Bator International who also have past auction results try http://www.batorauctions.com/
1959 Triumph Bonneville sales: I have recorded several sales from a number of sites that I follow. The highest price paid that I know of for a 1959 Triumph Bonneville was $30 000-00 OZ, I HAVE HEARD OF FIGURES OF 20 - 30 British pounds in the UK, there have been other sales of $25 000-00 US, and then they can vary from $2 500 for an engine upwards depending on condition and authenticity etc. I would say the average price for a good restored would be ranging from $24 000-00 to $30 000-00 US. I guess you have looked at these

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C371239 £19500 as stated.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C477892 £17500 as stated

There were two 1959 Triumph Bonneville’s for sale at Baxter Cycles for sale some time ago, There was one at $22 500-00 And $28 500 US. There was also a 1960 a duplex frame Royal Blue Bonneville for $18 500-00 US. But these have gone now. A comparison of the two year models bikes shows that newer may not mean more value etc. No consideration has been given to or taken into account for exchange rates and what the value maybe in different markets. (This is another kettle of fish).
At Baxter’s there are a number of good classic bike to use for comparison to determine what your bike is worth. I hope this has given you some idea as to bike value.

It cannot be over stressed how important a dating certificate is when determining the value of your bike these can be obtained from the marquee manufactures like the VMCC who I believe have records for most British manufactures try the library at http://www.vmcc.net/library.htm and for a Triumph dating certificate you can try the TOMCC in the UK try http://www.tomcc.org/Dating.aspx

For an unrestored original as this may turn out to be and from first glances it looks totally correct. The sky is the limit. Do you have a title etc..... That will push it up even more..

This is a truly iconic bike and maybe one of only three unrestored examples in the world. I recon the first thing you will need to do if you haven’t done it already is ti get a title for it. The second thing is to confirm the build and dispatch records for the bike. Then recommend that you lightly clean or dust the bike off first so that you can take good clear photos of the whole bike to record every thing also get as much info from previous owners. Write every thing down...

There were a few changes during the 1959 year of manufacture to the specification and it is these changes that your bike might hold the key to solving. Unfortunately there is still so much about this model which has been caught up in folk lore over the years and depending who you speak and which books you may read. Everyone has their own opinion on just how these bikes left the factor etc. The aim is to eventually produce a pamphlet or a website with original factory specifications for the different world markets including the different specifications for the US East and West Coast.


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#535026 - 03/26/14 9:23 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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WOW!!! Incredible! I'll have a restored one someday (#024660) but yours is one of two or three un-restored, totally original ones. There were only 1746 produced to begin with.



#535037 - 03/26/14 11:13 pm Re: HELP 1959 Bonneville Value [Re: Tvill3]  
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You have asked what it is worth, this suggests to me its not a keeper? If so, don't touch it, leave exactly as is. If not then just repair what is needed to make it rideable/safe. Just my 2 cents smile

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