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#533687 - 03/19/14 4:16 am Why Doesn't Triumph Do This?  
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Here is an interesting news release from Yamaha. If they think there is a market for this type of bike why doesn't Triumph?

http://rideapart.com/2014/03/yamaha-sr400-new-old-model/


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#533693 - 03/19/14 6:22 am Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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I like it !


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#533698 - 03/19/14 6:43 am Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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So Yamaha copies a market strategy which Hinkley Triumph used in the nineteen nineties...



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#533767 - 03/19/14 3:49 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Ger B]  
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Ger,

I was thinking more about a simple bike, small cc, no water cooling, no electric start. Low seat height, low weight and hopefully a low price.


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#533783 - 03/19/14 5:42 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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Originally Posted By: Alan_nc
Here is an interesting news release from Yamaha. If they think there is a market for this type of bike why doesn't Triumph?


Royal Enfield obviously does.


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#533786 - 03/19/14 5:54 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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What ever happened to Honda's GB500. I thought that was a pretty good rendition but didn't last long.


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#533787 - 03/19/14 5:56 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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Originally Posted By: Alan_nc
Ger,

I was thinking more about a simple bike, small cc, no water cooling, no electric start. Low seat height, low weight and hopefully a low price.
. . . and not butt ugly.


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#533788 - 03/19/14 5:56 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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I wouldn't mind having a GB 500, one of the nicest looking Jap bikes ever built imo


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#533808 - 03/19/14 7:33 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: TR6Ray]  
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Agreed !!



Originally Posted By: TR6Ray
[quote=Alan_nc] . . . and not butt ugly.


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#533822 - 03/19/14 9:01 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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If the GB is the equivalent to the Honda XBR 500 I would agree also. I remember when the XBR was released here (Oz) that they were the first Jap bike that had any appeal to me for a long time.


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#533827 - 03/19/14 10:01 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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Ymamha needs to make a 650 twin. You know, lightweight, powerful, nimble and great handling...sort of like...
almost any Britbike. They'd have to make it look good, maybe like the Kawasaki's W650.

I had an SR500 new in '79. I didn't have it a year; I hated getting whupped by my firend's CB400F Honda. So, an SR400 is even a worse idea in my book.......I still own a KZ550 which I bought when I sold the SR(my second one) If it wasn't 470lbs wet, it would be every bit as good as a Britbike.


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#533828 - 03/19/14 10:02 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Tiger100]  
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Boomer,
The price of the GB was $4800 in '86. '87?
Sort of the same problem as with this one.

Another one I think along these lines, and one I still wish I could find one of, one year offering by yam; '86 SRX600.
Now THIS is one PRETTY bike, IMO!

And, last I heard, they were selling for $2900, then...

A MUCH better offering/price than the GB!

#533865 - 03/20/14 3:41 am Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Rickman]  
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I guess one reason it appeals to me is I just bought an 02 GS500 (Suzuki). To me the GS is a lot like a Royal Star or Daytona. For some reason 500s never seem to get any respect. They are the everyman bike - get you to work, little weekend cruise, sort of carve a canyon. Not much flash, no fancy acceleration numbers, to small for real travel. But if you look at the odometer on these bikes it is probably a higher number than any crouch rocket or cruiser. Just good cheap transportation (which is not what a motorcycle is for in the US).


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#533866 - 03/20/14 4:18 am Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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Quote:
and hopefully a low price


You sound like a real Dutchman, Alan. bigt

Does Indian Enfield offer an option?


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#533902 - 03/20/14 9:17 am Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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Alan,
In this country people ride HD's or metric v-twins or a Japanese sport bike. The former ride for show, the latter for speed. Very few buy for simplicity, handling, economy and the joy of riding a motorbike. It will be interesting to see if that kickstart retro Yamaha makes a comeback. I don't think that todays market looks at bikes like we do. A perfect example of that is the GB500 Honda...the best looking motorcycle Honda ever made...it lasted what ...two years! A guy showed up on a GB500 one at the TSMR a few years back...what a beauty. Of course I am biased liking bikes that are under 400pounds and 500cc's.

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#533905 - 03/20/14 9:47 am Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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Unfortunately there never was much of a US market for bigger singles, as previously discussed here.
Yamaha (AFAIK) has offered the only larger street single in the US with its SR series. A friend of mine has (had?) a few SRX600s along the way. Boy is that a fun little bike to whip around on.
One things sure- a smaller bike like that is MUCH easier to get in & out of the garage- making it a sure thing over a much larger bike for things like running to the store or popping about town.

And hey, even Harley has intro'd smaller more affordable bikes... So somebody thinks there's at least some market for bikes in the class. Entry level? The marketing strategists typically just target the money, and the entry level riders just buy used bikes.

In terms of motorcycles as transportation, with bigger distances and (formerly) cheaper fuel costs than in the EU, UK, or many other places, we've always been about the cars and trucks... But things are tightening up, a new world order is emerging, one in which ordinary people aren't as affluent as they were previously. Yamaha could be ahead of the curve. Motorcycles could well become the next big thing, especially for urban commuting- easy to navigate in traffic, easy to park, cheap to run, cheap to buy and insure. The small bikes could easily claim their solid share of new market turf in the 21st century.

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#533907 - 03/20/14 10:01 am Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: ricochetrider]  
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I agree that the GB500 was a great looking bike. Problem is that although many admired it, not enough of those admirers actually bought one.

Tom, it seems that the vision of the emerging New World Order is to have the proletariat on foot or, if higher on the food chain, perhaps a bicycle.


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#533915 - 03/20/14 10:55 am Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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I heard a rumor that HD was coming out with a 500 cc water cooled single. Probably won't weigh more that 600 pounds.
Anyone who attended VMD a few years ago may recall that I rode an Enfield Electra 500 out there 2 years in a row. No speed demon bike but hauled my fat a$$ around for a while. And I think quality has improved and,unbelievably, the price has gone down.

I do like the Yam but having bought a W650 last year I think I'm good on oriental bikes for a while although I was tempted by an eBay auction for a W1 a while back.
Be interesting to see how the Yam goes over. I'm not optimistic


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#533922 - 03/20/14 11:32 am Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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I think the new Harley is going to be offered in a 500 and 750. I saw a picture of one, it wasn't too hateful looking

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Originally Posted By: George Elston
I heard a rumor that HD was coming out with a 500 cc water cooled single. Probably won't weigh more that 600 pounds.


grin

With fuel prices, traffic and parking, I think the SR400 has a good chance here in the bay area. I often think about what I would get as a commuter if the Royal Star gave up, I go tired of it or just started feeling sorry for it. This might replace the KTM Duke 690 at the top of that list...mainly because it isn't ugly and probably even more economical.


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#533936 - 03/20/14 12:50 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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Originally Posted By: Alan_nc
I guess one reason it appeals to me is I just bought an 02 GS500 (Suzuki). To me the GS is a lot like a Royal Star or Daytona. For some reason 500s never seem to get any respect. They are the everyman bike - get you to work, little weekend cruise, sort of carve a canyon. Not much flash, no fancy acceleration numbers, to small for real travel. But if you look at the odometer on these bikes it is probably a higher number than any crouch rocket or cruiser. Just good cheap transportation (which is not what a motorcycle is for in the US).


The ability to "travel" is just a perception thing, not reality. When I were a lad (in my 20s), two of the standard transcontinental bikes were the Honda CB-500/4 and the Suzuki Titan 500, both with Windjammer fairings and Bates bags. "Big Bike" magazine regularly featured 500s. Ted Simon rode around the world on a 500 Triumph ... and I put 70,000 miles on an R-5 Yamaha.

It's the explosion in affluence and available money to spend, not to mention the marketeers going "you're not a man unless you're riding an 1800cc bike" that has dogged the sub 750 cc bikes in the last few years ...

Lannis


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Well I was wrong ( yet again) the new HD is 480 lbs wet.
And Caramba! starts at a mere 6700 to 7500 smackers.


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#533951 - 03/20/14 2:43 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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I've lived through several periods where motorcycles were going to be the next big thing for transportation due to rising fuel costs.

Ain't a gonna happen.......

For any number of reasons...you probably already know most of them.

Motorcycling is a lifestyle choice, bottom line. Once you've grown up and ride for the right reasons you no longer care who sees you while you're riding. It never fails to amaze me how some folks prefer to ride a real POS overweight pile because they think they look cool doing it.

The only view that counts is the one from the saddle.

Getting the right balance of fuel economy, handling, weight, and power for the individual is the key to enjoyment, well, at least for the mature rider.

Britbikes deliver all that in spades. If you just happen to look as cool as Steve Mcqueen doing that, well that's just accidental...

Cheers,
Bill

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#533954 - 03/20/14 2:51 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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Triumph announced their new factoy in India that will build a 250cc single basic transportation bike for the subcontinent. Hardley-Able made a similar announcement for their new factory building 500cc & 750cc Vee-twins. The H-D engine looks spookily like a Honda Shadow. Cheers! Don.

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#534118 - 03/21/14 8:31 pm Re: Why Doesn't Triumph Do This? [Re: Alan_nc]  
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As a nation we had a rail system that would rival Europe's back around the turn of the last century. We gave up on the rails in the 50ties with the "Interstate Highway "system and the auto and 18 wheelers took over. Motor bikes except, for a few, were never considered viable as a primary mode of tranportation. Its a shame. Maybe we'll see a 35mph lane for all these little scooters that require no registration that the DUI crowd loves. I think there will be a market for a good scooter that gets 75 mpg and is of high and enduring quality

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