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Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52071
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Quote:
Originally posted by John Healy:
Electric starter aside, 1978 to 1982 models have my vote, hands down!

Triumph road tester, Bob Rowley, is quoted as saying that while testing the new frame, "I was beaking frames every two or three days..." The technical people told him he was being too hard on the bikes. He claims that they eventually put it right during production. The frame wasn't the only thing they were breaking: Fork legs, caps and steering heads were also breaking. quotes from Looking back with laughter and despair by Mick Duckworth...Vintage Bike 2006

Boy is there a lot of transmission "folk lore" in this thread... Good thing the fact police no longer drive Triumph Saints! :rolleyes:
editd to change law to lore...


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Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52072
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I agree John; I own five or six '78s. I prefer them as the base of my roadrace bikes. They still had the 'V' head until Jan. 1, 1978 when they went to the 'E' head. 2c

Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52073
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Hope I got my facts straight here, but didn't they go to the AMAL MKII carbs in 1978 (a good thing, IMO). And then the Lucas-Rita (BTW, who is Rita?) electronic ignition in 1979 (a good thing?).

My son is restoring a '79 T140E and I can't wait to ride it and see how it runs. I've worked on and ridden a '77 T140V, and I like it. Fast bike - does the ton with little effort, but we went down two teeth on the wheel sprocket.


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'65(lower)/'66(upper, wheels, front end, controls)/'67(seat, exhaust, fuel tank, headlamp)/'70(frame) A65 Bitsa.
Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52074
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I've only had my '72 TR6 for 22 years, but nothing broke yet....I think I might keep it a while.


'Never argue with an idiot, they'll bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience'

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Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52075
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I had a 71 BSA A65, which the frame cracked. BSA had their rear motor mount attached to the oil tube vs Triumph, who mounted theirs to the outer frame loops. I imagined allot of BSA cracked due to the design.

I also had a 74 T140 which is rare due to the strike. Front disc, rear drum, right hand shift and a 5 spd. Great bike but did tend to vibrate more than other triumphs I had ridden. I had a old timer tell me that the 73 - 74 where good bikes because of the steering head angle was diffent then the later models. Dont know if that is true, but the bike did handle great.


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Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52076
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Mark Z, they had both in '78. The old splayed-port/Concentric carb head was used until Jan. 1, 1978. After that, due to Federal regs., they went to the 'E' head with MKIIs. Also, I've seen altered intake cam timing on the 'E' '78s and later. Some have been as low as 93 degrees centerline. Notice that after Jan.'78, cam timing specs went from opening/closing degree timing to 'lift at top dead center' specs.

Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52077
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Quote:
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(BTW, who is Rita?)
She's the lovely Meter Maid of course! bigt

Steve


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"Vintage Bike". What's in your garage?

"The paying customer is always right."

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Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52078
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My two bits is the best one built is the one that's available when you want one; at the price you're willing to pay. Parts interchange is wide so if you want a Rita, find one and bolt it in! The bike becomes yours only after it reflects your taste and desires, so start with what you can get!


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Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52079
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well said!


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1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
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Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52080
03/01/07 9:22 pm
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OIF's trouble? I've had my 71 T120RV since new, 35 years now, and after the fix on the 5 speed early on,no bits or pieces broken or fallen off!!
Sweet bike, great handling! Ride em'.

Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52081
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Ive had my 72 since 99 and would never consider selling it..


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Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52082
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Personally, i think the whole OIF predjudice is ridiculous. A bikes a bike for the most part IMO, they all have strengths & faults. I love 'em all. No one has time for snobbery, least of all me.

Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52083
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I've had my '71 Bonneville 4 speed since '72. I've had one problem after another. The chainguard cracked on a 3,000 mile trip to Colorado and back in 1973, and now the tach isn't working. mad

It is a little tall. I have a 30" inseam and it's just right for me. If you are shorter, it could be an issue.

Ron, if you run out of room for all the OIFs people will be sending your way, I can squeeze a few into my fettling shed to help you out with the overflow.


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Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52084
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Quote:
Originally posted by John Healy:
Electric starter aside, 1978 to 1982 models have my vote, hands down!

I agree entirely but what's your (more informed!)reasons, John ? What should I watch about the electric starter,too ? So far it's been a peach ...(all parts still available in UK & via British Only in USA)


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Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52085
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Actually I never posted this to be a put down of anybodies ride. I know the problems are fixable and lots are still on the road. I just wanted a little something to help me so I know what to look for. Also there wasn't this big debate when John Nelson said the 68-69 was the best sidebag Triumph. I was curious what people thought about what was the best oil in frame model. Just something done before but applied to 1970's Triumph.
As to being offended by some of the responces: no I wasn't at all..........just was a little puzzled. A lot of people are very touchy about what they ride and go out of thier way to protect the bikes image.
I'm curious to about Meridiens4 Ever question mentioned above about the electric starter and stuff. beerchug

joepenoso

Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52086
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Meriden; ask me the question the next time your battery is low, you hit the electric start button, the pistons comes up on compression, the battery voltage falls below the operating voltage of the Rita, the ignition shuts off and fires the plug, the motor "back fires" and depending on which of the many iterations of the components you suffer a major malfunction...

The worst I have seen is a broken crank, which took out the middle pinion crankcase boss (or vice-versa). The case was welded and pinion boss reclaimed. The motor was put back together without the electric start and to my knowledge is still running.

Nuffin's purfect!


Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52087
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What he said!!!

You're lucky if you only shatter the timing cover and its drive components. eek

Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52088
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That said, they are real nice motorcycles...
nuffins purfect


Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52089
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Joe... find a decent running example; preferrably one that was renovated more than 50 miles ago and has proven itself reliable. You will find that British riders of all stripes are quite opinionated (and divided) about the merits/ demerits of their choice of steeds versus anything else. You will find similar division among any other group of motor enthusiasts... Corvette, Ferrari, BSA, even Honda 50 step-throughs! Or bicycles for that matter! If you want an OIF Trumpet go for one. Just try and be sure you choose one in good basic running order unless you relish renovating a basket case. Either way, stop by often with questions or progress reports, and by all means enjoy the ride!


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Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52090
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First Triumph I had was a '73 Tiger 750; a really excellent bike, single carb, 5-speed, single front disc. Later I had a '78 Bonneville which was very dependable, I used to commute on it. I think the OIF Triumphs are a good choice if you want a bike that combines classic style with relatively modern features (disc brakes, turn signals, etc.).


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Re: WHAT'S THE BEST BUILT OIL IN FRAME TRIUMPH? #52091
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Thanks John

eek I'll keep that battery charged then !

They are nice all-round bikes though & nuttin's poyfect wink


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