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Re: Brake Lining Rivet Tool Recommendation [Re: Gordon Gray] #510170
10/13/13 10:20 am
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Gordon

I have one that my Dad gave me. He used it on his old cars back in the 40's and 50's and it is similar to this one https://www.ustool.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=1519
However if you are not careful with the hammer you can split the linings. I'm still riveting my own lining and what I do is to put Pliobond HT-30 on the lining, rivet them in place and then cure the shoes in the oven at 300 deg. F (a trick I picked up from Vintage brakes). The pliobond HT-30 is available from McMaster Carr
http://www.mcmaster.com/#pliobond-adhesives/=ox2nmd

Dave

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Re: Brake Lining Rivet Tool Recommendation [Re: drp] #510180
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I have 2 of those brake rivet tools in my old tools collection, both are well used. They belonged to a friend & I bought them after he passed away. Haven't had a chance too use them yet.

Re: Brake Lining Rivet Tool Recommendation [Re: lincolntbird] #510205
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Gordon, you started out looking for the resident expert for brake shoe rivet tools. It looks like you are quickly becoming that very person.

Ray


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Re: Brake Lining Rivet Tool Recommendation [Re: TR6Ray] #510206
10/13/13 3:05 pm
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Well Ray.....I'm not an expert at anything but I sure have learned a bit about rivets in the past few days.

Here's a close up of what I've found on the Internet. Pretty much what you'll find at places like Granger and McMaster-Carr.

[Linked Image]

This darn thing runs $60 or more and it's for an 1/8" rivet...you can tell looking at it that the shaft is close to 1/2" so it wouldn't work. Now did the fellows back in the day buy one of these and then machine it down to fit....we all know better than that.

I'd love to see a photo of the correct British motorcycle tool. Like I said...they were doing it way before I was born....so it has to be out there.

Lincolntbird...if and when you get a chance....would you share a photo?

Dave Parker.....Long time no see buddy.....hope you're doing well??????

I have a tool coming first of next week...I'm keeping my fingers crossed it will work.

Kicking it in Mayberry.....Opie Gone Bad


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Re: Brake Lining Rivet Tool Recommendation [Re: Gordon Gray] #510233
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Gordon,

Interesting thread. Being a sledge hammer mechanic vs finesse tool person I just always used non-drill end of a drill ground to the size/diameter I wanted. Put it in a drill press and bring it down (without turning on the press).

The other option which requires about 3 hands is just using a center punch.

All this is to say that your ideas are light years ahead of mine.

Pardon me.....I've got to go get a bigger hammer now for some points I'm adjusting................


Alan
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Re: Brake Lining Rivet Tool Recommendation [Re: Gordon Gray] #510242
10/13/13 8:54 pm
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I tried looking up roll sets and found this one.

http://www.rivetsonline.com/index.php?type=extended&pcode=TO-10-4505&dispatch[products.search].x=0&dispatch[products.search].y=0&dispatch[products.search]=Submit

I made a gazillion brake lining rivets back in the 70's and 80,s for Milford Rivet and Acme Rivet. Never thought about setting them though. I knew the anvils were called roll sets for semi tubular rivets. The strange thing is that when I had to rivet the linings for my 61 Alfa Romeo before my cold heading days I used a JC Whitney machine that used solid rivets.
Or getcha one of these and go into business.
http://www.eBay.com/itm/Antique-Brake-Riveter-MILFORD-MACHINE-CO-RAYBESTOS-MODEL-865-/321227173374

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Re: Brake Lining Rivet Tool Recommendation [Re: Gordon Gray] #510341
10/14/13 3:32 pm
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Gordon, buy that machine on eBay. I am only about two hours away. I can pickit up and deliver it next May when I return to Franklin.


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Re: Brake Lining Rivet Tool Recommendation [Re: ] #511015
10/19/13 12:17 pm
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Originally Posted by BSA Brent

I have always just put a drift in a vice the same diameter as the rivet head, sat everything on that and then hit the rivets with a drift or centerpunch a bit to get them set. Never had any problems.


Brent....I have a feeling that's the way most people do it/have done it all this time. I was just hoping to find a "correct" tool. Maybe all along there really wasn't "one" correct tool???

Since I'm not lucky enough to have my dad leave me one like my friend Dave Parker (aka drp) I ended up making something work.

I got REAL busy this week and haven't had time to update this thread.

First off, I wasn't happy with my anvil so I sorta borrowed an idea from Alan and cut a section off of the correct size drill bit (5/16 fit the countersunk holes in my shoes) and installed it in the c-clamp....replacing the first one I used.

[Linked Image]

I like the feel of this one better...the shoe doesn't slide around on the anvil now.

[Linked Image]

I found a tool that works (for me). It's a "Crafttool" Tubular Rivet Peening Tool. It's small enough to fit past the shoe and big enough to roll the rivet. It's says it for ALL size rivets but since I'm only using one size...all I can say is it works for what I'm asking it to do. It's a leather workers tool and can be found all over the Internet for less than $10.

Hard to tell in this photo but there is a very small point on the end that centers it on the rivet.

[Linked Image]

Probably prettier than it needs to be.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

I want to THANK everybody for their help and imput. :bigt I think unless something else show up...I'm done with this one.

Take care....and thanks again....still kicking it in Mayberry, Opie Gone Bad (aka Gordon in NC)





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Re: Brake Lining Rivet Tool Recommendation [Re: Gordon Gray] #511105
10/19/13 11:11 pm
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I'll be darned!

Gordon,
While stopping in at an aquaintance's, looking for a twin carb head for Chris [ aka Blown Income ], I spotted an interesting tool, standing up in the mess of his barn!

"Whut's THAT fur" sez I, and he tells me its a BRAKE RIVITING PRESS FOR BSA's!!!

And he's been using it for that, and for ... clutch plate rivits on hardley ableson's?????

Dagnabbit, I didn't have a camera to take a pic of it, SORRY!

Re: Brake Lining Rivet Tool Recommendation [Re: Rickman] #511217
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No problem Rickman.....was it a lever type or hammer??? Mr Ray posted a link to a NICE lever type...but it runs $700 plus, way out of my budget. The one Dave Parker posted ( I FINALLY got the pic to load) looks like a deal...but the shaft looks like it might be a bit to wide.

I'm happy right now with what I have....now I'm looking for more linings.

Take care......enjoy the fall....opie gone bad.

Re: Brake Lining Rivet Tool Recommendation [Re: Gordon Gray] #511220
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Not understanding your references, I think it was a stand alone type machine, that you stepped on a pedal, that actuated the pressing components to close together....

Re: Brake Lining Rivet Tool Recommendation [Re: Rickman] #511224
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Probably should have said (asked) if it pressed the rivet or used a hammer.

Sorry.............Opie Gone Bad

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