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T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives #506012
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I ran into a friend last night who had just bought a 78 T140. The bike has been converted to the dry frame type side covers and it is running with no air cleaners. Are there any pancake style filters available for the MK2 carbs that would fit this bike?

Thanks,

Doc


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Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Doc_dup1] #506017
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Ought to be something at K&N...

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Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: calal] #506052
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Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Doc_dup1] #506076
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I'd avoid the pod type filters on these bikes. OK for a Jap four cylinder, but these bikes need more surface area. If you can use a stock air filter on there(as in the sixties style ones) Air filters , that would be great. They're available from Emgo for very reasonable price now.

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Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Doc_dup1] #506078
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The pancake filters won't work on the Mark II carbs on the parallel port heads unless you use a bodge to turn the carb or the air intake. I've seen pictures of this done but it looks kind of funky.


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Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Doc_dup1] #506115
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Hi,

Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger
I'd avoid the pod type filters on these bikes. OK for a Jap four cylinder, but these bikes need more surface area.

With respect, Bill perhaps isn't aware of the number of different 'pod filters' K&N offer ... somewhere on the K&N site (but I can't find it at the moment frown ) is a chart showing them all, and there are dozens ... Nevertheless, e.g. for a T160 and for a T150 - although the T160 one is a smaller diameter than the T150 one, the T160 one is longer to maintain surface area. I've been using the T160 ones on at least one of my bikes since the early 1980's no problems.

Turning to "sixties style ones", Triumph used an offset mounting on certainly the single-carb. 500's, though whether the offset is enough to fit two side-by-side on parallel Mk.2's, I don't know.

Hth.

Regards,

Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Doc_dup1] #506125
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Allens Perfomance parts have Rubber intake Maifolds that angles the carbs, then you can use pancake filters.the manifold part number SR34K. Seen some nice home made ones, but skill level needed for this is quite high.


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Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Doc_dup1] #506132
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there are offset Round old style filters that fit the parallel heads

I don't know the model number

look up the T140 shop in the uk to see them

Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Doc_dup1] #506174
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Thanks for all of the information. I'll pass it along to my friend and encourage him to sign up for this site.

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Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Doc_dup1] #506192
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Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Doc_dup1] #506220
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This kind no bueno. You can see what happens.
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Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Doc_dup1] #507796
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I made an Air Filter assembly a few years back. Didn't work too well at the time as it strangled performance and the carbs drooped. This year I turned down and radiased the rear stubs to create a more favourable angle for the air coming in from 90 degrees. Whereas the Concentric MKI seems to be designed with pancake type filters in mind the inlet stubs on the MKII's seem to be designed for airflow entering from the rear only IMHO. Plus made a bracket to support it attaching to the head steady mount on the frame above, if not the carbs sag on their rubber mountings. Seems to work fine now:

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Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Stuart] #507825
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Originally Posted by Stuart
Hi,

Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger
I'd avoid the pod type filters on these bikes. OK for a Jap four cylinder, but these bikes need more surface area.

With respect, Bill perhaps isn't aware of the number of different 'pod filters' K&N offer ... somewhere on the K&N site (but I can't find it at the moment frown ) is a chart showing them all, and there are dozens ... Nevertheless, e.g. for a T160 and for a T150 - although the T160 one is a smaller diameter than the T150 one, the T160 one is longer to maintain surface area. I've been using the T160 ones on at least one of my bikes since the early 1980's no problems.

Turning to "sixties style ones", Triumph used an offset mounting on certainly the single-carb. 500's, though whether the offset is enough to fit two side-by-side on parallel Mk.2's, I don't know.

Hth.

Regards,


The Jap fours don't like the pod filters either Bill, it tends to strangle performance, the big air box like the Trident/R3 had and same as the stock item on jap 4's work a lot better and each carb gets its equal share of air flow. - A bigger box is more space for the air to collect.

K and N do filters in which dual carbs can share the same filter, you would have to scan through their site for sizes as I don't know what would work on the T140 size wise.

Anything with a trumpet on the inside of the box works great, your creating a venturi stack effect and keeping the air clean.


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Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Doc_dup1] #507828
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Do you have room for this?
http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=r-0990

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Part R-0990 Product Specifications
Product Style: Dual Flange Oval Universal Air Filter
Flange Center to Center: 2.625 in (67 mm)
Flange Inside Diameter: 1.875 in (48 mm)
Flange Length: 0.625 in (16 mm)
Flange Type: Offset
Height: 3 in (76 mm)
Outside Length: 6.125 in (156 mm)
Outside Width: 3.875 in (98 mm)
Top Style: Rubber
Top Material/Finish: None
Air Filter Shape: Oval
Filter Material: Cotton Gauze
Flanges: 2
Base Outside Length: 6.125 in (156 mm)
Base Outside Width: 3.875 in (98 mm)
Filter Re-Oiling Amount: 0.57 oz (17 ml)
Flange Offset: 0.375 in (10 mm)
Footnote 1: Base Has 13/64" Vent
Top Outside Length: 6.125 in (156 mm)
Top Outside Width: 3.875 in (98 mm)
Weight: 1 lb (0.5 kg)
Product Box Length: 4.63 in (117 mm)
Product Box Width: 4.63 in (117 mm)
Product Box Height: 7.25 in (184 mm)

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Re: T140 Air Cleaner Alternatives [Re: Doc_dup1] #507904
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Hi Doc,

Originally Posted by Doc_dup1
78 T140.
MK2 carbs that would fit this bike?

What no-one seems to have asked is whether the Mk.2's are o.e. on an early parallel-port head or after-market on a more-common splayed-port head?

Talking of K&N's, I don't know whether it's intended as a replacement for the chart of universal (aka 'pod') filters but the K&N site has a Search by Dimension option. If you friend's bike has a splayed-port head, clicking on one of the "Round ..." options actually allows searching by three from twelve different dimensions, including for angled or offset inlets. Otoh, if your friend's bike has a parallel-port head, either of the "Dual Flange ..." options allows searching with the additional "Center to Center" option as well as the other twelve.

Hth.

Regards,


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