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Excelsior 250? #50426
12/11/06 4:30 am
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Hi All

I am looking to purchase a motorbike and was wondering if any one could give me any information on it.
the bike is in av/to good condition
Its original owner has told me itís a 1947- 49 Excelsior 250cc. itís a complete bike. It is a twin cylinder with a two into one exhaust that runs down the left hand side of the bike. It also has a 4-speed gearbox. it also has RAF 741 stamped on the gear box and the number XTS/265 stamped on the frame
Any idea how much it should cost me, and is this a rear bike as I have never seen one and no one can tell me any thing about it.

any info would be appreceiated
Thanks
ps. idont know how to post pictures of it on this topic

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Re: Excelsior 250? #50427
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I don't know anything of them either.

But a reprint of "Motorcycle" roadtests reveals both a test of the Excelsior Talisman twin AND A Talisman Sports. Says introduced at the 1949 Earls Court show (which makes it a 1950 Model ?), could do 60 mph flat out (the sport could do a few extra mph) Red with cream panels for the twin model, beige for the sports model (which is 1952).

Note that rarity does not always translate to expensive ? Although a 2 stroke twin back then was a bit of exotica - only the even more exotic Scott upping the ante.

Handsome looking cycle, this would attract a bit of interest at shows...

Re: Excelsior 250? #50428
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Thanks for the reply. how do i actualy identify what year it is?

Re: Excelsior 250? #50429
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to post pics join photobucket(free)and copy and paste the "IMG" link into your post.....

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Re: Excelsior 250? #50430
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"Post-War

But the company wasn't doing well and in the lean years following World War II racing and luxury machines were sidelined in favour of cheap two-stroke engines. After the war, they used Villiers engines to make the 250 cc Viking and in 1949 the Talisman, a smooth two-stroke with 180-degree crank. A later 328 cc twin-carb sports version didn't sell well."

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Re: Excelsior 250? #50431
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Re: Excelsior 250? #50432
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Re: Excelsior 250? #50433
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Re: Excelsior 250? #50434
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Call me a Phillistine but I would not bother.

The only other helpfull comment I can offer is that the white stripe under the tail light was probably applied to allow a following vehicle to keep station during blackout conditions.

This would suggest a military history ?


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Re: Excelsior 250? #50435
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thanks brian

any idea what it would be worth and how many were built

Re: Excelsior 250? #50436
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I like it. It's worth what you are prepared to pay for it. You won't get rich out of it, and even if it is rare (which I doubt) a full concours restoration is going to cost you money you will never see again.

An engine rebuild and a home workshop tidy up, new bearings, tyres, paint and panel etc and you might break even.

Plunger suspension indicates early fifties, certainly not 1947. No toolbox on left. That will be hard to find.

Otherwise it looks like it's all there. Even the D shaped speedo. It will share a lot of parts with other bikes of the era, so it's quite saveable.

RAF 741 suggests military. I'm sure the Air Force used Excelsiors. If so, an easy restoration in dull grey with some trim, and very little chrome.

A two troke twin should go well enough for a rally bike, and you'd be different to the rest of the BSA/Norton/Triumph herd.

Ginge, who restored a C10L on the cheap for the hell of it, and never regretted it. My favourite bike.


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Re: Excelsior 250? #50437
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Thanks for all the replys

I ended up buying the bike. It looks rough but its too good to waste.
Is there any books or does any one know where i could reasearch it further.

Thanks

Re: Excelsior 250? #50438
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A rarity of course with parts both engine and cycle hard to find. When new Excelsior had a head start with the type in the U.K. but never seemed to capitalise on it. As I recall it didn't have a very good name for reliability being prone to seizure. Larger two and three cylinder versions of the engine were used in some small cars (possible source of engine parts?) B.M.L.S.

Re: Excelsior 250? #50439
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i think it looks like a little ripper.....and wheres the fun if theres no challenge?.....good luck with it and keep us informed of the progress and a few pics along the way....... :bigt:

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Re: Excelsior 250? #50440
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The Vintage Motorcycle Club in the UK will have a Marque Specialist for Excelsior - even though this is postwar and no longer vintage of course. They have a website - can't track it down at the moment. They also do all the decals you'd need.

With that itty bitty little front brake I'd think this was earlier (1950-ish) rather than later. But maybe they were all like that ?

Re: Excelsior 250? #50441
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Yes from what i can gather its was built around 49-50.
Today the wheels were blasted and re painted. origionaly they were chrome, however i have painted them in black with white spokes.all the end caps of the spokes are brass. will kep you all informed.

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Re: Excelsior 250? #50442
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Hey!
@ Talisman: I have the same Bike. It is a 52īTalisman Twin WTS.
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Sorry for my English, IŃm from Germany
Thomas

Re: Excelsior 250? #50443
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Nothing wrong with your english!

Great little pilot too!


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Re: Excelsior 250? #50444
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Friend had one of these,I do not remember the year but it had the plunger rear end . It was fitted with an ANZANI twin engine very similar to this.Great sound from the siamesed system.
Are we sure this one is a Villiers?

Re: Excelsior 250? #50445
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Maybe with radical port timing, reed valves and "squawk" boxes fitted it might make the "ton" :bigt: from me laugh


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Re: Excelsior 250? #50446
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Hello! Thank you for your answers. This are the Parts that I need.
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Have you a Adress or this, please send me a Mail.
Thak you from Berlin
Tom

Re: Excelsior 250? #50447
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It"s a Talisman Twin alright.A friend of mine had one . They go well for a 250.You do see them at rallies.Contact Excelsior Talisman Twin Enthusiasts, C/O Colin Powell, Ginger Hall, Village Way, Little Chalfont, Bucks HP7 9PU Tel/fax UK 01494 762166.The VMCC or rather some of their members are a bit snooty about 50"s 2strokes

Re: Excelsior 250? #50448
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Hey Ray!
Thank you very much. It"s right, it is a Talisman Twin. I can`t find a e-mail adress from Colin Powell or from the Enthusiasts. Do you have a e-mail adress?
Thank you
Thomas :bigt:

Re: Excelsior 250? #50449
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Sorry LJ he does not seem to have an E-mail address why not send him a Fax that seems favourite for a first contact.

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I think I am now the owner of this bike

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