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#502678 - 08/21/13 12:19 am 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket  
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BE careful what you say to people elsewise you end up owning another BSA. I mentioned in passing to an aquaintance that what I was really looking for was a and early Lightning Rocket. Then he mentions that he has two. Next thing I'm rooting around in a dark basement and there it is: A nearly complete 1964 Lightning Rocket with the tins tank and clocks with orginal paint and decals. And it turns over. It has compression. It shifts. I cannot resist. Help me please. It's in my driveway tonight.


Gaggle of BSAs
a Honda
an old BMW
and a Montesa
Parking lot Elf in training
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#502682 - 08/21/13 12:50 am Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Semper Gumby]  
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OK then,
How much to remove it? { not that I NEED another one... }

#502684 - 08/21/13 12:57 am Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Rickman]  
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Too late I've already imprinted on it.

(ack ack ack)


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a Honda
an old BMW
and a Montesa
Parking lot Elf in training
#502691 - 08/21/13 1:07 am Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Semper Gumby]  
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LOL!!!

#502696 - 08/21/13 1:27 am Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Rickman]  
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Quick Pic Its red but in daylight the red almost looks like a orange.



Yep Its got the wrong seat. Missing the grab rail. The center front fender stay on the RH side was fabbed. The front fender is cut off at the bottom (not too badly). It has a 3.25-19 front and a 4.00-19 rear K70s. The rear is made in G.B. Both hardly look they have been used at all but I'm sure they are quite old. Has original 6 volt system which I intend to keep (?) is not hacked up. The RH coil has been replaced with an OIF coil and many thick shims. I need to look at that as if it is a 12 volt it will cause problems. I found the tail light assembly hangin on a nail (thank goodness). Looks like the original monoblocks have the filter with the rain covers! Missing one side cover emblem and the tank emblems will need to be replaced. No petcock and the Kreem coating inside the tank is cracked.

I've seen a couple of different tail lights installed on these bike. I have something off a Triumph that looks right but...

Need tank and side cover rubbers.

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Gaggle of BSAs
a Honda
an old BMW
and a Montesa
Parking lot Elf in training
#502736 - 08/21/13 10:39 am Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Semper Gumby]  
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Nice!
Who knew there were all those old bikes in ATL.

#502740 - 08/21/13 10:59 am Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Semper Gumby]  
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Sweet LR find! And it has all of the hard to find metal bits!

The LR's used a couple of different taillight mounts and 2 different actual taillights. That bike should use the 564 style light. Not sure what mount is on there, the pic is cut off.....

I think I may have a seat pan that is correct, may need some metal work.

The electrical system on those bikes were "unique" eek to say the least. If you intend to ride it, you may want to think about something a bit less "unique". 12v with a more typical late 60's charge system layout is easy to do on those bikes with a Podtronics or similar charge control. Plus, that stuff is easy to hide grin if you want the electrical schematic, let me know.

With the correct size tires (3.25X19, 3.50X19), those bikes turn nicer than the later bikes with 4.00X18 tires, IMO.

The orange may not be that far off correct color. The early LR's tended to be more orange/red than the more common red people associate with BSA.


Life is too short to drink cheap, bad beer.
#502756 - 08/21/13 1:27 pm Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Rich B]  
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Thanks Rich.

It has a 564 tail light. But it Doesn't line up with the Licence plate holder one bottom part of the light. The 564 light I have came off a triumph.

The 6 volt system is so simple though...except that I cannot identify what the headlamp bucket switches do. Does anybody have a PDF of the owner's manual. It has an ignition switch and what looks like a light switch. But then it has the HI-Lo-horn switch on the handle bar. The are of course no labels on anything...

No wait I take that back. I have 62-65 worksop manual and the 6 volt system makes no sense to me at all (*help*).

Does anybody have a "good" scematic of the six volt system on a 64 L/R.

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Gaggle of BSAs
a Honda
an old BMW
and a Montesa
Parking lot Elf in training
#502759 - 08/21/13 2:09 pm Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Semper Gumby]  
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Well, the 6v system is too simple. It relies on coil switching to control alternator output. Sort of....... IMO, if you want a trailer queen, use the stock system. If you want a rider (and I am guessing you do), an upgrade is really needed.

The LH switch should be headlight with a plug in socket from the harness. RH is ignition, uses a goofy little stamped key. It also has a socket connecting it to the harness. Socket replacement kits show up from time to time and even have a Lucas P/N for them. Makes it easier to make a new harness that makes sense.

Those bikes do have one unique feature. The key switch has an "emergency" position that allows AC current from the alternator direct to the points/coils for starting with a dead battery. You can't run in the emergency position, but you can start the engine. Though I admit on my 65, I eliminated that feature.....


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#502760 - 08/21/13 2:11 pm Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Rich B]  
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Rich, I found a real schematic of the L/R 6 volt system. OMG - it's Krazo. Why is this interesting?

It looks like with the ignition switch "Off" the alternator is connected to the coils. There is no Emergency position on my bike. The lighting switch actually turns the lighting circuits and battery charging to Off, Low or High. But how you would know when to switch between Low and High is a mystery.

The horn and the stop light are hot wired to the battery. The diagram includes a fuse but as we know there is no fuse on this system. Madness I tells you, shear madness...

I sense a challenge.

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an old BMW
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Parking lot Elf in training
#502763 - 08/21/13 2:53 pm Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Semper Gumby]  
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Here is the diagram I'm looking at: The 6 volt system up top and a 12 volt system below with switch positions and the conections on the lower left.



Krazo.


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a Honda
an old BMW
and a Montesa
Parking lot Elf in training
#502770 - 08/21/13 3:43 pm Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Semper Gumby]  
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Told ya it was "unique". Thought my head was gonna explode trying to figure it out......so made my own schematic.....It works bigt

The whole coil switching crap didn't work that well. A lot of batteries were murdered with that system.


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#502802 - 08/21/13 9:03 pm Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Semper Gumby]  
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Nice find Gumby! They are getting thin on the ground these days, and when you find a survivor that is almost complete....well, I am staring to imprint on it too!! Good luck Gumby! If you need a rear grab rail I believe I have the correct one lying about in the shop. LMK.

Tim aka BSAGuy

PS: May have the front fender stay as well. Talk to you soon.

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Always try to keep the chrome side up! Cheers!
#502808 - 08/21/13 9:43 pm Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Semper Gumby]  
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Don't ask me how or why, but I have a 1964 BSA sales brochure that has some info on that bike. It's yours if you want it, Bill. Greg



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#502815 - 08/21/13 10:08 pm Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: GaCracker]  
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Originally Posted By: GaCracker
Don't ask me how or why, but I have a 1964 BSA sales brochure that has some info on that bike. It's yours if you want it, Bill. Greg

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Yes Please. A 4 pack of Samuel Smiths Chocolate Stout should cover that! Man that brochure cinches it. I've got the wrong tail light. I thought it was a 564 but its the other one on short metal adaptor. Darn.

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a Honda
an old BMW
and a Montesa
Parking lot Elf in training
#502816 - 08/21/13 10:10 pm Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: BSAGuy]  
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Originally Posted By: BSAGuy
Nice find Gumby! They are getting thin on the ground these days, and when you find a survivor that is almost complete....well, I am staring to imprint on it too!! Good luck Gumby! If you need a rear grab rail I believe I have the correct one lying about in the shop. LMK.

Tim aka BSAGuy

PS: May have the front fender stay as well. Talk to you soon.


Yes and Yes. The Front finder short middle stay looks like the A10 stuff on eBay. Two holes on the bottom and one on the fender. A Grab Rail yes please. Send me an email. m082 (at) comcast (dot) net


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a Honda
an old BMW
and a Montesa
Parking lot Elf in training
#502836 - 08/22/13 12:58 am Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Semper Gumby]  
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I thought that 629 tailite with the extension was a '65 DOT thing?


Bill


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#502838 - 08/22/13 1:03 am Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Boomer]  
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Originally Posted By: Boomer
I thought that 629 tailite with the extension was a '65 DOT thing?


Bill


I don't know Boomer. If Greg's brochure a couple of posts back is an indication of what the '64's looked like, and my side covers and the tank exactly match that picture, then why not the tail light?

If anybody has a copy or a PDF of the "Instruction manual" for a 64 Lightning/Rocket, please let me know. I have the manual for the A50/A65 Star and Rocket but not the Lightning Rocket. Thanks in advance,

SG

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#502868 - 08/22/13 4:56 am Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Boomer]  
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Ditto what Boomer said... I've never seen or heard of any bike with that lens/adapter setup other than 65's, was no reason to add the cup and change the lens. The cup was kind of an easy/ cheesy way to make the bikes US legit, changed next year to the actually designed alloy housings (except Home). Yet the advertising page shown talks of the "new" (1964) magnetic speedos. Wonder if maybe the ad is very late 64?... it seems to show some artistic license with the US tail light on the larger Home style plate holder, I think, that doesn't seem likely.

#502888 - 08/22/13 10:31 am Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Steve Erickson]  
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64/65 LR's are a minefield of what is correct or incorrect. Even period pictures show a mixed bag of equipment on those 2 years.

Unless something is glaringly wrong, ie an alloy tail light housing, I would be hard pressed to call anything that is reasonably "correct" just plain wrong on a 64/65 LR. Even the parts book will make your head explode figuring out what BSA supplied!

One of the big difficulties in figuring out right/wrong with the LR's is east/west coast spec bikes. There are differences between the 2. Fenders, side covers, taillight mounts, etc al were different. The 65 bikes seem to be a bit more common between east/west, but the 64's will drive you crazy on trying to figure out "correct"!

From the pictures, if it were my bike, I'd get the fender/fender stay thing and seat sorted out and leave it alone as far as changing anything else to be "correct". It is a nice example of an early LR. Those are hard to find.


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#502918 - 08/22/13 4:45 pm by the light of day [Re: Rich B]  
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A little cleaning and some sunshine:



OOoOooOooOooOOgh!


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Parking lot Elf in training
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Sweet!!!!

IMO (for what ever that is worth), other than the seat, that is a fine example of a 1964 east coast LR. I would say tail light and tail light fairing is correct for that bike

Nice find, I am jealous!


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They're still out there! Or in this case, in there. That's encouraging. That's a nice find.

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#503044 - 08/23/13 1:20 pm Re: 1964 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket [Re: Semper Gumby]  
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I have a 1965 LR and it has the 679 taillight with an adapter between the taillight bracket and actual taillight..And yes, as stated it's hard to tell what they came with from the factory..Don't know if these pics will help you, but here they are just in case...I may have a similar bracket with the 564 light if you would need a pic...





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#503057 - 08/23/13 2:40 pm Re: by the light of day [Re: Semper Gumby]  
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That is a beautiful bike. I'm tempted to try and make my 1970 Firebird look somewhat similar.




Originally Posted By: Semper Gumby
A little cleaning and some sunshine:



OOoOooOooOooOOgh!





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