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ATF in chaincase? #256515
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I saw in another thread that people use ATF in there chaincase and didn't want to threadjack.

I haven't heard that before, is it safe for the clutch? I guess that's my only concern. That, and what kind are you using? dextron, mercron, etc... Brand of choice? Thoughts, opinions...

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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: theageofindustry] #256523
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The automatic transmission in your car is full of clutch packs that aren't much different than what's in your bike so atf is just fine for your clutch.
As to what to use,I don't think it really matters. If I were to do it I would use Dexron because that's what all my cars use and I already have some on hand.
What bike do you have?


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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: theageofindustry] #256524
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i use ATF Ford type in my A65 with good results


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1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: raf940] #256535
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AOI, what bike do you have? If I'm not mistaken most OIF models mixe the chaincase oil with it's engine oil so you do not want to put ATF in an OIF chaincase.


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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: JTsmks] #256539
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I have a 67 bonneville and a 68 bonneville,sorry.
Right now I am just using non-detergent 20 wt el-cheapo, but always looking for the hot tip.
My buddy has OIF, and yes, it uses engine oil.

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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: theageofindustry] #256548
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I don't see any advantage to switching from what you're already using. As long as there's something in there to lube the chain you're good to go.


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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: theageofindustry] #256552
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Any ATF works just fine in my '67 Bonny with Barnett friction disks. It is also the right viscosity for the front forks with my 220 lb. weight. (Is ATF 5 or 10 wt?)
Tom


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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: Tom D. 67 Bonny] #256558
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A word of caution !

Although many folk do indeed use ATF, with, as far as I can tell, good results, you need to be sure that your bike's chaincase is a 'sealed' unit from the engine. Many models have unsealed mains, and indeed use the chaincase as part of the breathing system from the engine, and as such engine oil is blown, and indeed sucked between the two.

You don't wanna get ATF in yer engine oil !

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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: Graham Ham] #256615
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You can try Mercon or any other modern ATF, but if you have any signs of clutch slipping convert to the older Type-F. As has been stated, ATF in the primary does NOT apply to any primary breather models. That's 1969 and prior years on the 650.

The advantage is less clutch sticking, less first gear grinding, and longer primary chain life.

bigt


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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: RF Whatley] #257083
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ATF also helps you identify leaks (red) hypoy (green)gearbox and brown engine. some ATF,s can attack paint so fix the leak!

Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: norton bob] #279548
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My triumph workshop manual says capacity is 350cc for 69, 650 model or quote: "Alternatively, the correct level can be achieved using a measure of 350cc".
This isn't right, oil will pour out of the oil level plug at 150cc, another aftermarket manual a friend has says 150cc for 650 and 350cc for 750 machines, there must be a larger area in there to accomodate the triplex??
I've always used the plug and never measured out 350cc and dumped it in there but this time I did and got a big surprise on the floor! I wonder how many people dump 350cc without removing the oil level plug because that's what the TRIUMPH manual says to do?

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So, just to reiterate, it is OK to run ATF in an early 1970 Bonneville, correct?


Jim

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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: yellow_cad] #280046
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Originally Posted By: yellow_cad
So, just to reiterate, it is OK to run ATF in an early 1970 Bonneville, correct?


That would depend, perhaps. How early exactly? Early in the model year or early in the calendar year? The engine number should be the definitive answer.....

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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: JubeePrince] #280214
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My engine number is AD37669. Please let me know what that says regarding the breather and what I can use in the chaincase. Thanks.


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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: yellow_cad] #280215
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Unless your engine has been modified it does not have a seal at the crankshaft and you should not use ATF.

ATF is an excellent solvent and if mixed withe oil would probably break loose all the sludge in the motor-including that in the crank's sludge trap.

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Originally Posted By: Kirstykimberlee
My triumph workshop manual says capacity is 350cc for 69, 650 model or quote: "Alternatively, the correct level can be achieved using a measure of 350cc".
This isn't right, oil will pour out of the oil level plug at 150cc, another aftermarket manual a friend has says 150cc for 650 and 350cc for 750 machines, there must be a larger area in there to accommodate the triplex??

I've always used the plug and never measured out 350cc and dumped it in there but this time I did and got a big surprise on the floor! I wonder how many people dump 350cc without removing the oil level plug because that's what the TRIUMPH manual says to do?


The correct way to tell the primary oil level for ANY primary case is that the bottom run of the primary chain should just skim the surface of the primary oil. You can check this with a strong lamp. In this way the chain picks up the oil and makes an oil mist that lubes everything in the case. Guys with primary strobe windows can testify as to the presence of the oil fog.

The oil level screws run into the cover will strip out on you if you're not really, really careful.

bigt


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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: RF Whatley] #280412
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Why thank you Richard, all the way from Georgia!
Little discrepancies or misunderstandings in the manual can be cleared up easily with the help of a good forum.
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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: theageofindustry] #381849
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How does one check the oil level in the chain and gear cases?

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What about the level in the gearcase? How do you tell the level is correct and what oil is used?

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Set your bike level. Find your gear box drain plug. There is a smaller bolt head located in the center of the drain plug.Remove this small bolt.
Fill your transmission until you see a little oil come out that hole. Wait until it stops until you put the plug back in.

Just about any cheapo auto differential oil in the 90w range works. There is some controversy regarding synthetics.


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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: ] #382013
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Originally Posted By: britbike forum member?
another aftermarket manual a friend has says 150cc for 650 and 350cc for 750 machines, there must be a larger area in there to accomodate the triplex??


150cc is the correct "Initial fill" amount for all '70-on 650/750 twins as far as I'm aware?

The General data sections of both the '72 650 OIF and '73-'78 T140 factory manuals gives the primary chaincase capacity (initial fill only) as "5/8 pint - 350cc" which I believe is an error carried over from the earlier pre-OIF manuals for sealed chaincase models?
In the "Lubrication" section (Sec. A) of both manuals, the primary initial refill amount is given as "1/4 pint" (1/4 Imperial pint = approximately 150cc).
The 350cc error was apparently corrected in the later '79-on factory manual-as the initial fill amount is listed in the Capacities section as "150cc".

(300-350cc is the correct primary refill amount for BSA/Triumph triples)

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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: yellow_cad] #382022
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Yellow Cad- A simple way to tell if your bike has the later breathing system is whether it has a large diameter breather pipe coming from the rear of the chaincase above the gearbox. If it is there then you can't use ATF.

Bikes that can use atf have the breather pipe coming from under the engine.

What I found on my 1967 bike is that if I empty the chaincase ready for an oil change not all the oil comes out. If I measure a new lot out and add it I end up with too much oil in the case which makes my clutch slip a little. I, therefore, use the level plug with the bike on its wheels and held vertical.

I have found that if my clutch is set up correctly it works equally well with 15W50 or thin oil although I haven't tried atf which is very thin. It is only about 5W(?)

Dave

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Re: ATF in chaincase? [Re: theageofindustry] #498452
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My bike has an engine breather coming from just below the rear of the cylinder barrels. Also has a breather pipe coming from midway in the chaincase. Motor is 6T circa 1962. Am I ok for ATF?

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I am going to say yes.


Originally Posted By: Adrian1
My bike has an engine breather coming from just below the rear of the cylinder barrels. Also has a breather pipe coming from midway in the chaincase. Motor is 6T circa 1962. Am I ok for ATF?


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