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Butchered Triumphs #495068
06/23/13 12:05 am
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I run a part time bike repair shop,called Hillbilly Bike grin .I fix the butchered junk,the ugly choppers,engines clogged with silicone sealer,horrible wiring with butt splices every 6 inches, etc. Nothing is scared in my shop,whatever gives a safe reliable repair is used.Most is hand fabricated on the spot.Not a place to bring your show winner. grin
This butt ugly chopper was dragged in recently,originally a 6T. Some old after market springer with no matching bolts,sloppy beyond sloppy and no balls in the steering neck races. The guy just took out the play and called it good. A bent front wheel with no brakes,bizarre shifter and clutch,wiring worse than bad...and oil leaking from every where.And this guy was riding this heap!!!
I spent time mocking up the bike level rather than way up in front.Checked frame alignment and steering rake and trail. I got the springer jacked into shape with new bushings and quality fasteners. Cut out the too short yoke stem, welded in a a longer one.Got proper sized roller bearings , Scrounged up a 80's Honda 21 inch dirt bike front wheel with a small brake.Hand forged a brake stay and some other small parts.The owner wants white wall tires ... confused Positioned the forward controls better and revised shift and brake linkages so they actually work...



Ok,now look at this next photo.. the contraption was bolted the the head and frame...The lever is the gear shift,the finger grip squeeze handle is the clutch.It had a linkage on theright side going down to the tranny..Some one made it,really not bad fabrication except you can't ride the bike,too difficult,too stupid....
I always thought bikes are fun to ride,not a struggle.



Replace the wiring, rocker box gaskets, reseal the tranny cover and at least the oil won't leak all over the engine as badly. Surprisingly the engine runs quite nicely. So now the rider still has his chopper but it stops ok and goes where it's steered.


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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #495110
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I could not agree more that bikes should be fun to ride, that's the main reason why choppers/bobbers are not my thing.
Anyway, good to see that this bike left your shop in a more healthy state than when it was brought in.

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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #495113
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Finished pics will be nice to see.
At least with a traditional Bobber - not swinging arm bikes with rigid rear sections added - the fundamental geometry is unaltered so the ride does not suffer, you could argue it's even better due to the reduced weight.
I look at the second coming of the long fork chopper boom with horror, they were wrong in the late sixties and early seventies and time hasn't changed that one iota.
One good thing is the quality of engineering that is now prevalent in the custom scene, there are certainly not as many "chancers" out there trying to make a living with a gas axe and an arc welder out of the catalogue.
I've always thought with any customising that if the end result is not better than what you started with you've wasted your time.


...............I don't think people cut standard rigid frames up with the same misguided enthusiasm as they used to either.

Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: British Ironwork] #495116
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I like "traditionaal bobbers" as you describe,a stripped down stock frame bike,a hot rod. Choppers are a styling statement like cars that are so lowered they scrape the pavement,useless piles.
The springer on the chopper is about 20 inches from the bottom fork yoke to the axle,just slightly longer than the stock forks.
I won't build choppers,just repair them.
I do build the new style bobbers with bolt on hard tails if that's what a customer wants.Never too low,not a "stretched" tail section,always a good front brake.Steering neck rake of around 30-31 degrees is reasonable when using a stock length front forks.If they want something too wild,I won't do it.
In the background of the first photo is adual leading shoe front wheel and a pile of parts for another project.The front frame section is a unmolested T120C...I'm having the owner find a swing arm rear section instead of a hardtail,build a flat track looking custom.
The bike here is typical of a conservative hard tail I build.Other than riding like a lumber wagon it handles well on smooth roads.Please ignore the fool on the bike grin



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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #495147
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Hillbilly,

1n the 1990's I built one very similar to the one you are sitting on in the pic. It had a '68 frame with a '77 T140 engine, converted to right side shift. I rode it for a few years until I decided to build a swing-arm frame late '60's bike.





I would love to see pics of the chopper with the springer you refer to...and preferably before the addition of the whitewalls !


Jon W.


1957 6T Thunderbird 650
1968 T100R Daytona 500
1971 TR6R Tiger 650
1970 BSA A65F 650
1955 Tiger 100 - Project

Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #495192
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I'm afraid I simply don't 'get' the whole chopper/bobber thing at all.

Interesting that the front frame is a T120C - depending on the year, here's what it could have looked like:

http://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/triumph_t120c.jpg

Hmm...

Nick

PS - hats off though, for your efforts to make a bad job a good 'un.


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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #495218
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The problem with early-built Triumph "choppers:"

The fools that butchered them usually tried to make them
look like Harleys.

The results usually were ghastly.

Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Nick_Smith] #495225
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Originally Posted By: Nick_Smith
I'm afraid I simply don't 'get' the whole chopper/bobber thing at all.



Hmm...

Nick

PS - hats off though, for your efforts to make a bad job a good 'un.


Nick,it's a Yankee thing going way to early racing,stripped down cars and bikes.What some of us call a traditional Hot Rod.
With all the sheet metal gone it's a pure mechanical device.That appeals to many riders,me too,I like a bare bones machine.But the function must remain,choppersfor the most part are just style and some of them need to walked around corners.
Bobbers tend to be less radical,the best have stock frames and suspension.A nicely built bobber with a hardtail rides and handles just like an old rigid pre swingarm bike.Retro I suppose.


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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Irish Swede] #495232
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Originally Posted By: Irish Swede
The problem with early-built Triumph "choppers:"

The fools that butchered them usually tried to make them
look like Harleys.

The results usually were ghastly.


Wise words from a wise man


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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: KADUTZ] #495849
06/29/13 11:38 am
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I'm still working on the chopper lump when I can. Besides what was mentioned ;took off both tranny covers to Heli-Coil stripped bolt holes. R&R after market oil tank to do a proper sized restriction in the return line.Then pulled primary cover,YUK,hammered primary chain ,alternator rotor scrapping on stator,more stripped bolt holes. Pulled clutch to find a badly worn gearbox sprocket and seal. Removed the head to get at leaking push rod tube seals and oil seeping from head gasket. Between the head and rocker boxes,5 more Heli-Coils.Also completely rewired the bike,added a capacitor to replace the weak battery.Got the internal twist grip working ok...
At this point in time I'm donating good used parts and some labor charges because the bike owner can't afford all this work.Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy to help out a young guy... grin


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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #496156
07/01/13 11:18 pm
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It's nice to be nice to the nice... Hope he appreciates it. As a contractor I don't find a lot of appreciation for the little extras I do for some of my customers.
Where in NY are you located? I'm east of Rochester

Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Pete Suchawreck] #496480
07/04/13 10:27 am
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I'm also east of Rochester in Ontario.Stop in sometime. I was an electrical contractor and rarely did something for nothing.But I'm not trying to make a living off fixing up a few bikes.... grin


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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #497453
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It's done more or less.The bike owner just bought a new Concentric ....Starts on one kick with no battery and a non Lucas capacitor.I just got back from a short test ride....Not my style but actually is sorta fun on the rural back roads. The sprockets are now 20 and 46 so 55 mph is reasonably relaxed.It accelerates and sounds like a proper open pipe Triumph,the handling sucks,the brakes are just adequate. It's like riding a 1930's machine so know the limitations and it's all an experience.



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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #497461
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I like that short springer. Now he just needs some paint !!


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1970 BSA A65F 650
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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #497490
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You do some nice work! One thing that caught my eye on this thread is all the talk on handling. I'm an old chopper guy, I've logged as many miles on a few chops as I have on stockers- both early pre unit rigids and unit swingarms- all Triumphs. I found myself over the years losing the high rise bars, and dropping down to a more sensible 3" or so rise, using stock mounting- no risers. This definitely helped me out in terms of handling on the turns. The second area that made a difference was the seat itself. I preferred the king/queen seats, as this gave me some support from the backside, keeping me securely planted on the seat, especially if I was running forward controls. Picture it this way, I could BRACE my feet on the forward pegs, this in turn would push my rear backwards until stopped by the end of the seat. An error I frequently see is the forward controls and pegs with a solo seat, try bracing your feet on those pegs with the solo, and you'll be pushing yourself off of the seat! So that particular combo leaves you with no real support, especially with ape hangers. Basically, you are just hanging on for the ride, not using your body to it's best effect for handling. The third area worth looking at is the placement of the footpegs with regard to what type of seat is being used. This time I'll throw out the example of running a stock 51, the pegs were mounted from the factory at about the right position to allow movement of the legs in conjunction with the sprung solo seat; coupled with a higher seat level and lower bars, the stock rigids actually handled quite well.
Again, I really do like your bikes, I mention the above for those who say that choppers and bobbers don't handle worth a damn. They CAN, as long as thought is given to the set up of how one will use their body in regard to the handling they desire. Obviously an extended front end will cause a loss of cornering, but it can somewhat be compensated for by a good set up of pegs, seat, and bars. Cheers! Joe

Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #497495
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Remove that rear fender, so you may save some money on toilet paper. laughing

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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Jon W. Whitley] #497532
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Originally Posted By: Jon W. Whitley
I like that short springer. Now he just needs some paint !!


What it needs is an 18 inch rear tire and a normal length bolt on hardtail instead of the stretch limo look.But it's his bike and he likes it. Maybe with the greater offset of the springer fork yokes,it might be too twitchy with a shorter wheel base ?
On the chopper handling....It's ok but any evasive maneuvers are very slow...The black bobber on the work table shown above with low bars and near stock wheelbase handles much better... but...the low seat and feet forward ring position makes it hard to turn quickly.That's ok on a two wheel Buick Harley but I like bobbers based on a stock suspension bike. I built this proper bobber bike about 10 years ago.Sorry for showing an A10 grin





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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #497836
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Where's your shop Hillbilly? I'm in Walworth 4 miles south of the Tops on 104. I'll bring over the scrambler

Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Pete Suchawreck] #497909
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Lakeside Rd,north of 104 about 3/4 mile. PM or email me for phone number tonetruck@gmail.com


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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #497943
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I agree about the no more than 4" stretch hardtail and cannot stand the "limo" look. Even worse is when they do that using a Unit 500 engine or a BSA unit engine....looks so wrong ! BTW, that A10 is really nice and IMO would look really good with a stock 2 - 2.5 gallon BSA tank, especially '67 - '70 Lightning -Thunderbolt tank but keep the rest of it the same.


Originally Posted By: Hillbilly bike


What it needs is an 18 inch rear tire and a normal length bolt on hardtail instead of the stretch limo look..That's ok on a two wheel Buick Harley but I like bobbers based on a stock suspension bike. I built this proper bobber bike about 10 years ago.Sorry for showing an A10 grin





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1957 6T Thunderbird 650
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1971 TR6R Tiger 650
1970 BSA A65F 650
1955 Tiger 100 - Project

Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #497944
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HB, would you like another of those peanut tanks? I have one that cracked above the mounting tabs due to insufficient buffering from the frame. It's very repairable but would require re-painting afterward. I just don't want it anymore and I'm willing to give it away for the cost of shipping.


Mark Z

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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Mark Z] #497964
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I'll take it for a new project ,great timing! PM sent me,thanks


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Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: Hillbilly bike] #498274
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Good Morning:
Apologize for stealing this thread but I have a problem and I hope that some of you may be able to point me in the right direction. I am in Watertown NY, and I noticed that a couple of you guys on this site are "relatively" close to my upstate location. I am hoping that someone up here might have a clue where I can go for help. I have a "65" T120 on a custom chop, three years since a full rebuild on the engine. This was not a butcher, quality build with a professionally fabricated frame, front end, engine rebuild and paint. Unfortunately the engine rebuilder is no longer available. The engine ran great for the 1st 1200 miles, then I switched out the dual head for a single manifold. Again, ran great for about 500 miles then the trouble set in. I can run about 6-8 miles before it starts acting like it is running out of gas. It loses about 80 percent of its power; have to nurse it to get it home. Shut it off, starts right back up, runs another 1/4 mile, then starts in again. The longer I let it sit, the farther it will go until it starts failing again. Really frustrating. Replaced the Coil, ran fine, for about 100 miles, starts in again. Have checked all electrical, doesn't appear to be grounding issues, everything is tight, and besides, when it starts out, it runs great. I have a Pazon ignition, contacted them for some troubleshooting advice, according to them, given their specs and requirements, the ignition appears to be behaving as designed. I did replace the battery and put in a slightly beefier rotor, at idle it sits at about 13.2v, got about 30 strong miles on it then it starts bogging down again. So, I give up. It acts almost as if it is overheating, but it starts bogging when I am moving, not stuck in traffic. SO...I am hoping that someone may know of somebody in upstate New York that knows this engine well enough to figure out what might be wrong. I have talked to one or two mechanics toward Albany that could do the job, but they are purists, and donít want to touch it because it is not an original Bonnie. This is a great looking bike, people love it when they see it, and when it runs right, it really is fun to ride, though as a rigid, granted, I can't get to far, my 58 year old back can only take so much, and after 26 years in the Army, there isn't too much back left.-:) I am really about ready to drive it over a cliff, and to make it worse, my wife is at the point where it is fix it for good or sell. I will never get back what I put into it, especially now, and frankly, I don't want to sell it. I waited a lot of years to get what I wanted it and don't want to just let it go. Thanks to any of you that could offer assistance, Jon

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i hate to suggest the obvious but is thew fuel cap vent blocked?

that gives exactly the symptoms you describe. Bike stops, you undo the fuel cap to look in the tank, air gets in, bike starts.

Cap back on, bike runs, then the vacuum starts and your bike stops

Re: Butchered Triumphs [Re: AngloBike] #498299
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Hey LiteFiter, it looks like you are only 110 extremely scenic miles from Hillbilly Bike Shop. I know where I'd be headed if I were in your shoes. Your bike ought to be a perfect fit for his expertise! Plus, it looks like a great place to visit.

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