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lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 #482236
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Hi everyone, I'm looking for a points breaker cover to suit a Lucas 18D1 unit that was used on Norton model 50 & ES2 for 1961, the part number for this is 424151, I have the breaker unit but I'm missing the cover, it was a Bakelite unit with two spring clips holding it to the base unit & a cutaway for the wires at the base, not a spun metal unit with a single stirrup like wire clip that went across the top of the unit.
If any one out there can help me it would be greatly appreciated.
There is an image of the breaker unit minus the cover on my facebook page. Facebook Norton model 50 slimline restoration page


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Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482268
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Hi,
please correct me if I am wrong, but there was a 15D1(metal spun cap) & a 18D2 (bakelite 3 tower cap) distributr, I can't find any refrence to a 18D1????
If I am correct & you auctually have a 18D2, then yes, the cap number is a 425049.
Feked stocks them:

http://www.feked.com/distributor-cap-triumph.html

British cycle supply: about 1/3 down the page, no picture, just the part number

http://www.britcycle.com/products/391/391_series_4.htm

Norvil :

http://www.norvilmotorcycle.co.uk/


Feel free to PM me if you have any question , or reply here
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Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482342
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DISTRIBUTOR-LUCAS-SINGLE-18D1-/230918171492

Was the singles and twins cap the same ?

Pic.
http://www.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/partsbooks/pages/768/Lucas_Magneto,_Alternator,_Rectifier_and_Horn

Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482348
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No Rohan, the caps are completely different. Take a look at the links I provided in the earlier post ( the Feked one has a good view) & you will notice that the cap we were looking for looks similar to an old automotive distributor with a coil input "socket" in the middle of a plastic distributor cap, and 2 additional "sockets" for the spark plug wires. So the cap will have 3 "sockets" total.The cap is held down with 2 steel "clips" 180 degrees apart that snap into depressions on the base of the distributor cap, like older automotive distributor caps.

The distributor model number 18D2 is broken down thus:

18= miniature twin cylinder type
D= Distributor
2= suitable for twin cylinder models

The 15D1 model is for the single cyinder models and has an all metal cap with a single wire "bail" that goes across the top with a small hole on the side of its base for the single plug wire to exit through a rubber grommet.


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Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482350
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You don't even know the singles distributer exists, and are going to sell him twin cylinder parts ??

We'll see what Eschew Obfuscation says about this !

Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: Rohan] #482354
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It really does exist Rohan, as stated in the earlier post, it is a 15D1 for the single & an 18D2 for the twin. Quite simple really. Anyone with a Lucas catalog from that era can look it up, OH WAIT!!! I do have a Lucas catalog from that era, oh joy of joys, look at the "Lucas Ignition H.T. coils, distributors, magdynos, suppresors" section "G" page G2, from publication number 716A.


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Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482357
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He already said thats not the right one.
Did you look at the cap that Hitchcocks can supply ?

I have a twin cylinder points unit.
With the bits you suggest, its not right for a single...

Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482359
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He said it was the bakelite cap, not the spun metal, that makes the dist. a twin cylinder one, sot a single. He either has the wrong distributor on his bike, or is asking for the wrong cap! I cant answer which is wrong, only he can, as there is no such thing as an 18D1 in my Lucas book that I have open right now. as I have already mentioned, please follow along Rohan, saves me a lot of typing, and at you age, it would save you some arthritis laughing

I will do some digging to see if I have a 1961 Lucas book in my archives, as it may be a model of distributor not in this particular book I have out.

I'll be baaaaaaaaaack !!!!!

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Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482360
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If you stop saying the 18D1 doesn't exist, we might get somewhere...

6 posts ago, I posted a link to an 18D1.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DISTRIBUTOR-LUCAS-SINGLE-18D1-/230918171492

Perhaps you need lessons to click the link ?
Note that the cap is missing, as usual...

Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482361
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Rohan,
as I stated, it is not listed in the Lucas book I quoted, I saw the link, but I am not going to assume an eBay listing has the correct numbers on it, It may well be correct, I may be wrong, but it is not in the book that I have. I am currently looking through nearly 100 pieces of literature, I am sure that I have a Norton specific Lucas manual covering this exact model, which is more modern than I usually deal with. I am sure I have it (the '61 manual) & will post my findings very soon !!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482364
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Eurika !!!! I found it !!!!!!!!!!!!
There is a 18D1 (I stand corrected), it was not in my general Lucas book, but I found it in my Norton specific Lucas book for 1961. I have a complete parts break down on the entire distributor if you need any of the part numbers.

Draganfly has plenty of the 424151 moulded cover you require:

http://www.draganfly.co.uk/index.php/com...ay-2?Itemid=505

see also-

54410823: condenser
425219: contact set

etc., etc.

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Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482370
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Why do I feel like a kindergarten teacher here. ?

You can also get them from AO, Norton guru.
He does an electronic points conversion for twins, but has the cap.
http://www.aoservices.co.uk/18d2.htm

Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482372
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Rohan,
thanks for all the help sick
also thanks for listing the helpful eBay listing that did not show the cap we were looking for grin

And also thank you for inventing that new "dual purpose" 3 tower singles/twins distributor cap you spoke of laughing

Al Osborne is a great guy & has high quality products, but as his site states, this is not a "bolt on" set up, minor mods need to be dealt with, nothing serious.

Having said that, a new cap & rotor would get you on the road for a lot less money & Poss. upgrade to electronics at a later date.


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Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482389
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You want me to make it pre-school simple ??
Holy crapola.
Keep it simple for Skip, he's a beginner...

Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482392
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Hi guys, it's me "The Tanned Gland' himself, WOW, what can I say....Hope you two are still on each others Christmas card lists. Yes, 57N77 that is the correct part from Draganfly, I'm ever so greatful to both of you, not only for helping me find the correct part but also for giving me a laugh after a rather busy morning.A thousand & one thanks gentlemen.
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Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: 57nortonmodel77] #482393
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Originally Posted By: 57nortonmodel77

And also thank you for inventing that new "dual purpose" 3 tower singles/twins distributor cap you spoke of


You are aways going on about 'mistakes' in the parts list.
Thats a real one - knew you'd like it...

Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482419
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Actually it I dont show that in any Lucas parts book as being dual purpose ( I assume you just made a mistake in your posting?).

But there is a website on the net claiming it will work on single & twin distributors.

As to my history, I am 50 years old, wrenched on my first Norton in the early 1970's, a Norton Dominator model 99. Owned more bikes (mostly Nortons) than most people n here I recon. Far from a newby. I have been doing complete restorations including all engine & occasionally paint work for well over 30 years.

Past president of the Northern Ohio Norton Owners & am currently involved in Norton clubs around the world.


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Keep working at it Skip, your learning.

That pic was obviously a K2F MAGNETO end cover, but listed wrongly. Knew you'd enjoy it.

And since the twin dizzy has a rotor and rotor cap, and the single has just a wire going to the coil, they are not exactly similar.
Although ALL the parts can be swapped to make it happen (I think?).

I have an ES2, and a (twin) points housing, and the ES2 timing cover to accept it. Was just going to twin plug it, Matt will probably tell you it will make more power that way...(!!?).

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As are you Rohan , but then again, aren't we all?

After looking deeper in my "BIG" Lucas book, since I dont have the cover,or all sections, (mostly the ignition stuff) I dont have a years range listed. The newest bike listing is 1957, explains why no 18D1. As far as the Norton specific Lucas books, 1958 shows MO1L mag/dyno for M50,ES2,M19, 30,40. For 1959 no mags listed (except for the K2FC on the Nomad), twins use 18D2, singles (M50 & ES2) use 18D1. So as far as Nortons, it would seem the 18D1 stated with the 1959 model year & ended in 1963.


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Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482543
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It was all change for the alternator models. 1958 was it ?

The ES2's and Model 50's prior to 1958, with magdynos, won't accept the points ignition (with the 3 mounting studs) for the alternator models - the timing covers are made differently - just a slot for the magdyno.

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So relieved to hear you two are still talking to one another, doe's this happen often?


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Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: the tanned gland] #482564
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If there wasn't 2 oceans and 3 continents in between, we'd a probably had it out with duelling pistols by now.
But only at the summer equinox, and if it rains/snows a lot.

Otherwise, no-one gives a rats....

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Happens all the time! Twice just this week!!!
The problem is, we are equally passionate about our Nortons & will fight to the death if we think we are right (I wonder if Rohan is a Taurus?) . We probably both have very similar personalities, which can end up in 2 bull headed individuals who don't know when to quit, we also know what buttons to push to get the other one going, but of course I am usually right laugh Sometime Rohan get a bad batch of Vegimite & he gets cranky grin

So Rohan, you know I am from Northern Ohio, near lake erie on the border of Canada, what general area of Australia are you? We have a couple of Aussies comming over here to the USA for a bike tour this year (see another Norton post here) I hope they can stop by my place for a visit.


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Re: lucas points breaker model 18D1 suit Norton mod 50 [Re: 57nortonmodel77] #482801
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I think its also a bit confusing to mention the word distributor in the context of a single.There is no distrobution going on.

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I see your point Bob, but it is what Lucas calls it in their catalog. I suppose, since it has a rotor spinning inside the cap distributing the voltage to the contact inside the distributor cap???


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