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Re: Me thinks it hath gone too far [Re: rick e.] #479455
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Originally Posted By: rick e.
Perhaps its the word "restored" that is brash to me....didn't the factory dyno each engine and road tested each new bike? ...Are there better builders than the BSA factory that don't need to complete that step in order to be restored?
All the power from an engine is made in the head, and the reason BSA had to dyno each engine was that the inlet ports were shaped by hand to a template so there were variations in the power produced. If an engine didn't meet the minimum power, the port had to be tweaked until it did. However, if an engine made 40.1 h.p. with a given head, swapping that head to a completely different engine would result in 40.1 h.p. If BSA were building Gold Stars today, and all heads were made by CNC, all finished engines would produce identical power. They wouldn't need to dyno each engine to guarantee how much power it produced.

If that eBay bike actually had been started, dyno tested, and road tested, but Dick Mann had deliberately used different cams than were originally in the engine when it left the factory, most people wouldn't have a problem calling it "restored." Whether or not someone objects to the idea of a bike that has been painstakingly rebuilt but never started, there's a pretty good case to be made for calling it "restored."

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Re: Me thinks it hath gone too far [Re: BritTwit] #479482
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"Whether or not someone objects to the idea of a bike that has been painstakingly rebuilt but never started, there's a pretty good case to be made for calling it "restored."

Ahh, but here is the rub. Let's say I needed a magneto "restored" for my Gold Star. Should I go for the one with all the shiny bits restored by an expert that never had any final testing?

I'd go with someone like 'you'. Someone that would not only make it look good, but would have all the test data to back it up. That is what I call "restored".

Re: Me thinks it hath gone too far [Re: rick e.] #479483
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Originally Posted By: rick e.
Ahh, but here is the rub. Let's say I needed a magneto "restored" for my Gold Star. Should I go for the one with all the shiny bits restored by an expert that never had any final testing?

I'd go with someone like 'you'. Someone that would not only make it look good, but would have all the test data to back it up. That is what I call "restored".
Who am I to argue in the face of such flawless logic?...

Re: Me thinks it hath gone too far [Re: BritTwit] #479491
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Actually, I like mine a bit better than 'restored' - more durable finish, better tyres, brakes and oils. Better electrics, engine internals, nylon-lined cables, better clutch etc. Restored as it left the factory is nice, but a little limited..


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Re: Me thinks it hath gone too far [Re: BritTwit] #479604
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As Phil Pearson our GS Guru in England once remarked, "I wouldn't sell my Gold Star for twice what it's worth. But offer me three times and we'll talk".
My sentiments exactly.

And as a sage once told us..
"It's OK to love your motor bike as much as you do your family, just not more".


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Re: Me thinks it hath gone too far [Re: BritTwit] #479770
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I use my bikes very little yet I do believe in using them as they were designed and not pussying around on them, so I do see things from both sides.

However not using them AT ALL is a bit like having an amazingly beautiful model for a wife and not fucking her in case you spoil her for the next guy! Keep her happy and well loved, take pleasure in riding her as she was designed, and keep her looking good for as long as possible is my moto! ;o)

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Re: Me thinks it hath gone too far [Re: Julian] #479789
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Originally Posted By: Julian
However not using them AT ALL is a bit like having an amazingly beautiful model for a wife...
Not to take too much issue with your analogy, there is a difference. Actually, a couple of differences. Anyway, my daughters grew up riding amazingly beautiful horses. One fundamental difference between them and motorcycles, other than the horsepower, is that you can put a motorcycle in the garage, cover it with a sheet, and come back a month later and the motorcycle still will be amazingly beautiful. Not so with a live creature.

Certainly riding a motorcycle is a big part of owning it for many people, and perhaps having it to look at plays a lesser role for them. But, for some people those roles are reversed, and having it to look at is more important than riding it. This can be especially the case where more than one motorcycle is owned, with some of them primarily for riding, and others primarily for looking at.

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