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Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: meriden4ever] #473248
01/20/13 12:29 am
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Though I don't mind the breadbin,off topic a little but I wish they had of produced this tank.

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Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: Lorenzo] #473253
01/20/13 1:29 am
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Originally Posted By: Lorenzo
M4E -

It's a well known saying that beauty is in the eye of the beholder - well, behold ugliness !



Can't blame Triumph for this - it's a PO's (very) loose interpretation of the "hatchet?" design on my '79 Tiger.......
Hopefully, it'll make someone smile !


LMAO

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I guess it is that the un-Triumphy angular shape and the longtime lack of a suitable paintjob that meant it is my least favorite tank. Then again, some don't like the blob tank either and that took a while for me to warm to. Maybe I will love the breadbin...those examples illustrated are attractive ...


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Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: DavidP] #473273
01/20/13 6:28 am
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Hi,

Originally Posted By: AngloBike
I never understood why they couldn't fit a bigger "US" tank tank like they fitted to the Cardinal

Originally Posted By: AngloBike
I always understood that the tank was a bit wider on a Cardinal than trident, although I can't find the info.

US-model tanks were never bigger than UK&GE (UK & General Export) tanks, not on dry-frame or oif twins, not on T150's and not on T160's. The 'Cardinal' tank is the standard T160 UK&GE (4.8-Imperial-gallon) tank painted white; the US-market T160 tank is only 3.8 Imperial gallons.

Originally Posted By: JubeePrince
From Wikipedia:

Yeah, right ... laughing

. British police forces never used the T160 in any numbers; when they tested the T160, they all said it was too heavy (100 lbs. heavier than a twin shocked ) and stayed with the twins, 'til Neale Shilton sold 'em Bee-Emms. frown

. The Saudi order was entirely separate. There is a story (told by Les Williams, who was one of a three-man team NVT sent out Saudi to build up the bikes) that the first bikes turned up with Norton stickers in the crates, because Dennis Poore had originally sold 'em Commandos but the Wolverhampton plant was to be closed ... whistle

. The problem is that the Cardinal story becomes bound up in the collapse of NVT. frown Poore had set up a number of companies, some went into receivership in July 1975 when the government recalled a loan and cancelled NVT's export credit loan guarantees. The receiver tried to keep the received companies going, on the back of the Saudi order and others, and to prevent any 'domino effect' (that eventually happened frown ) on the companies not in receivership.

. The first batch of Saudi bikes went out in September 1975. I doubt that, by December 1975, bikes had to be 'diverted' - NVT were selling barely any T160's; if anything, they were cancelled orders. frown

. All the NVT companies were finally wound up, and all remaining staff made redundant, on Christmas Eve 1975. The Official Receiver stopped all exports of bikes and, in the subsequent few years, returned unsold bikes abroad already (my first T160, bought brand-new in 1977, was repatriated from Canada).

. It wasn't just in 1982 that Cardinals were returned from Saudi, they trickled back for several years; originally the Receiver had the ones that could be resold without much work, scruffier ones later formed the basis of Les Williams 'Legends' (and some 'Slippery Sam Replicas'?) and individuals working out there who knew what they were have been bringing back odd ones for years.

Originally Posted By: DavidP
My '74 T150 parts book lists clear indicator lenses as being available

The lenses are used on Land Rovers and have been for decades - "yellow" (amber/orange) for indicators, red for tail and brake lamps, clear for reversing lamps. Amber indicator bulbs usually have offset 'pins' (to stop car-driving muppets from just replacing an amber one with a clear one behind a clear lens) but, certainly here in GB, amber bulbs with 'parallel pins' can be found.

Hth.

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Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: meriden4ever] #473292
01/20/13 1:13 pm
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Great looking tank that suits pre '55 frames well.

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Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: Stuart] #473299
01/20/13 2:19 pm
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Originally Posted By: Stuart
It wasn't just in 1982 that Cardinals were returned from Saudi


No 'Cardinals' returned from Saudi-as none were sent there. The Saudi bikes were police spec. Tridents.
The Cardinal (as I think you know) was the 'civilianised' model (with certain police spec. equipment removed) sold in the UK during 1977-78.

Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: Stuart] #473317
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Originally Posted By: Stuart

Originally Posted By: JubeePrince
From Wikipedia:

Yeah, right ... laughing


I know, right?

If you read it on the inter-web, it MUST be true!! laugh

Steve


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Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: JubeePrince] #473368
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Hi Steve,

Ime and mho, nothing wrong with Wikipedia in principle, I use it for lots of research. Its problem is in the detail - allowing (almost?) anyone to write anything on any subject. Again, not a problem if there are sources other than Wikipedia, because citations drawn from those other sources will be used to correct any errors.

As I've written before, the problem is with this particular subject - afaik, no-one has written the definitive work on the collapse of first BSA and then NVT ("Whatever Happened To The British Motorcycle Industry" is one man's viewpoint). Plenty of people know parts of the story but, unfortunately, no individual or company is willing to commit the funds for either an experienced individual or team to undertake what would be a pretty mammoth research task. frown

Regards,

Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: Stuart] #473438
01/21/13 5:16 am
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It is a shame and a lesson about the ability to sell books. The Rosamond book was supposed to be the definitive account of the co-op but sales were not good. I bought it for under $10 brand new less than 1 year from its release. Not to mention the misleading nature of the book. "Save the Triumph Bonneville" should have some insight into the marketing and manufacture of the machine itself. Instead it is a chronicle of the co-op. I would think at the University level there would be some push to essentially write the story of the failed auto and motorcycle industries before the major players move on for good. I think that is where will we ultimately see the research and writings.

Just my opinon.

My contribution to the original thread:


Scott

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Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: OriginalScott] #473452
01/21/13 9:55 am
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Hi Scott,

Originally Posted By: OriginalScott
My contribution to the original thread:

Lur-rv-ve the trews ... laughing

Edit: Come to think of it, we should market full leathers like that; with a Hunchback Of Notre Dame hump on the back, the tupperware torpedo riders'll go mad for 'em. I'll take a modest royalty for the idea. grin

Regards,

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Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: meriden4ever] #473459
01/21/13 11:15 am
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Those trews would still be plain beige had he fitted a mudguard !! Those look like mud flecks ...
I can't say anything about the yellow paint as I own a TR7T but , well, it's different ...and was there a glut of chromium in the early 1970s ...?? LMAO

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Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: meriden4ever] #473461
01/21/13 11:20 am
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The definitive history of co-op should have been written 20 years ago but at least it's done now: better late than never. From what I understand, the first year's sales were excellent after a super launch at Bonneville Day at Gaydon but they tailed off somewhat and have stayed consistent thereafter.
Amazon will sell anything cheap just by super-bulk-buying that no publisher can resist so price isn't necessarily an indication of popularity.


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Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: meriden4ever] #473522
01/21/13 5:08 pm
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I'm interested in the "definitive history of the co-op". What is the title of this book. I see a mention of the Rosamond book.
BTW, I like the look to the bread box tank, black with red panel on the side

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Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: 79T140E] #473541
01/21/13 6:34 pm
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Originally Posted By: 79T140E
I'm interested in the "definitive history of the co-op". What is the title of this book. I see a mention of the Rosamond book.
BTW, I like the look to the bread box tank, black with red panel on the side


'Save The Triumph Bonneville ! The Inside Story Of The Meriden Triumph Worker's Co-op' by John Rosamond (Veloce 2009)


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Re: Breadbin beauty [Re: Stuart] #473776
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Originally Posted By: Stuart


Ime and mho, nothing wrong with Wikipedia in principle, I use it for lots of research. Its problem is in the detail - allowing (almost?) anyone to write anything on any subject.


That can be a big problem. I remember the first time I read their article on the Trident the writer assumed it had the same type clutch as the twins. This has since been corrected (after starting how many arguments.)
Back to the thread, when I hear "breadbox tank" I'm thinking of the plain, slabs of '69-70. The later tanks with the width reduction at the knees can be quite attractive, though some of those paint schemes are uninspired, to put it kindly.


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