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1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 #291212
12/29/09 12:21 am
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After seeing Bry's tremendous progress with his '59 Venom I thought i'd show mine - I bought it last May as a good runner; Venoms in any condition aren't the easiest motorcycles to source and I was after a particular type of Venom - a post '61 Mk1 Clubman. Couldn't find a ground up restoration project, but eventually found this - a 1964 Venom that had been Thruxtonised. It had an MOT and ran well. It just needed a cosmetic restoration, however as these things progress, 'just' isn't the word......

Can't find the photo of how the Velocette looked when it arrived as yet, but by last July it was in this state....



After powdercoating frame etc I had engine and gearbox together - the gearbox had been fitted with a standard selector cam plate - I had a good look, everything seemed fine and fitted a reverse cam plate to facilitate the backwards facing gearchange foot lever. It seemed as I stripped the bike, that all the fasteners would have to be replaced by stainless - i've got an old '50's Myford Super 7 on which many a long evening were spent turning stainless hex bar down to various sizes and screw cutting 26tpi again and again and again....Call me chicken, but I actually ended up buying a batch of 1/4 bsf bolts for the mudguards.

Anyhow - August was assembly time.



I also had a spare reconditioned B.T.H 'TT' manual magneto which went on, replacing a Lucas manual Magneto.



1958 Velocette Venom
1960 Norton Dominator 99
1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1
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Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Dawg] #291216
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I had discovered that the Venom had been modified with a 'squish' head and low compression MSS piston in an Alfin barrel. The squish heads are 350CC Viper heads with a band machined in it to accommodate the flat topped MSS piston. I've since sold these on and replaced them with the correct parts

Squish head;



I obtained a second hand cast iron barrel; had it rebored and got a new +40 hepolite piston. Must have been an old Thruxton barrel as two .031" compression plates were eventually needed to get the right set-up.

I had a spare Venom head in which I put new guides and had an unleaded exhaust seat fitted.



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1960 Norton Dominator 99
1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1
Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Dawg] #291218
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Jumping ahead quite a bit - it was a case of remembering to take a photograph! Must have been late September. I was having parts professionally painted so I couldn't put the front forks back on - swing arm went on with a bit of a fight. Reamed the bearing to the stated measurement and boy was the trunnion shaft tight going in. Mudguard stays fitted and the rear replacement mudguard drilled. New shocks - the originals are on a shelf and will be restored at a later date.



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1960 Norton Dominator 99
1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1
Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Dawg] #291225
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Got the tinware back from the paint shop and the front end was assembled front mudguard drilled - both sent off for chroming



Toolbox was missing - new one sourced, couple of brackets made and fitted. I've mounted the oil tank to a plate - drilled two holes into the back and fitted two threaded plugs and silver soldered them in, then had it painted. The plate is fixed at the top lug, bottom lug and now the centre to stop it flexing - a common problem on Velocettes - the bottom brackets always crack



Wheeled outside for the 1st time in early December as I was having a new garage door fitted - the back wheel is stiff, a look at the wheel bearings is next.



Since this was taken, i've wired it up and everything works - not tested the reconditioned Miller D6 60W dynamo and electronic regulator as yet though.

As I speak, the tanks also been fitted, but i'm having trouble with the position of the brackets on the new seat. It's always the simplest things that annoy the most!



1958 Velocette Venom
1960 Norton Dominator 99
1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1
Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Dawg] #291247
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Cool project! Nice work.

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but i'm having trouble with the position of the brackets on the new seat


I hate to admit to how much time I have in fabricating WV's stupid seat brackets! Such an easy thing..?? Nothing is easy.

Beljum


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Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Dawg] #291376
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Hi Steve,

Nice work, looks like you’ve had a busy few months.

Bry


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1959 Velocette Venom
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Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Bry] #297742
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98% there. Just a few small bits and bobs to finally finish up. I'll be leaving it until March before I try to fire it up.





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1960 Norton Dominator 99
1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1
Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Dawg] #297810
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Wow looking very good!Looks like it time to enjoy it and show it off.Of course all of the bikes in members projects look good.

Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: jays375] #297897
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Mercy sakes! What a cool old thumper.


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Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: GrandPaul] #298611
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I'm going to replace the front mudguard - it's not right. Too long at the front by about 3" - it was a pattern guard and it was only when the front numberplate went on that I noticed; it'll only continue to annoy me, so off it comes.


I've just got a replacement guard that's the correct dimensions - so there's more drilling and Chrome plating to look forward to!

Last edited by Steve Buckley; 02/11/10 4:23 pm.

1958 Velocette Venom
1960 Norton Dominator 99
1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1
Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Dawg] #308142
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Finished! However it's still in the 'shakedown' period. I've done 90 miles on it so far but i've had to take it back into the workshop because of a little clutch trouble so the whole driveside's off, but hopefully i'll be out on it again this weekend....





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1960 Norton Dominator 99
1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1
Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Dawg] #308143
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WOW! That is absolutely STUNNING. Great job on the resto, the bike looks great. I hope it goes just as well.


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Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Dawg] #308145
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Gis a go, guvner!

Wottle she do mister?

Beautiful bike, I'd love to have one. New front fender DOES look better now that you mention it.

I see you've got the shocks set back to the "Big Lad" setting ... !

They say those inboard clutches are a bugger. Hope you don't have to get into it too often.

Congratulations on a lovely job.

Lannis


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Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Lannis] #308177
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BNK, BNK, BNK!

Wot a beauty!

Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Bodger] #308227
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You've done a great job on that bike, absolutely stunning.


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Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Dawg] #308243
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Absolutely beautiful. Congratulations


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Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: darbone85737] #328508
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Just to prove this thing actually moves - I took advantage of a day off and decent weather today. Ended up at Ribblehead Viaduct in the Peninnes. 150 mile round trip.

Since the last post, i've retimed the Venom as it was pinking under load fairly badly. Considering these motorcycles were originally intended to run on 100 octane petrol with the timing set at 38 degrees btdc, club members had suggested that I run it at 36 degrees considering the lower rated octane petrol now available. Anyhow, I checked my original timing and lo and behold - it was out - it was firing full advance at nearly 40 degrees! Anyhow, i've still heeded the advice and i've taken it back to 36 degrees; it runs very sweetly.





The first weekend in July I rode the Venom to the annual National Velocette Owners Club rally at Stanford Hall and won a cup! All I did was park the thing up next to some other Velocettes - seriously, I didn't even mean to enter it! I found it quite amusing anyhow.



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1960 Norton Dominator 99
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WOW congrats, & Great job!
Stunning just stunning.......


Cheers Zed

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Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Dawg] #328622
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Originally Posted By: Steve Buckley
The first weekend in July I rode the Venom to the annual National Velocette Owners Club rally at Stanford Hall and won a cup! All I did was park the thing up next to some other Velocettes - seriously, I didn't even mean to enter it! I found it quite amusing anyhow.


Congrats, and unquestionably well deserved!


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Re: 1964 Velocette Venom Clubman Mk1 [Re: Dawg] #328631
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Looks great Steve.

Glad to see your getting some miles in on it.

Congratulations on the well deserved Stanford Hall win.

Bry


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1955 Triton
1959 Velocette Venom
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Not been on here for a while - in 2011 I took the Venom on a 1,000ish mile round trip to the Cotswolds and then headed across to Hemel Hempstead just North of London where the original dealership is still located. Also went via Seymours of Thame near Oxford. I came back via Birmingham and visited the Hall Green factory site where it was built in late 1963. Here are some shots of the trip. The Venom sat at 80mph down the M6 and M5 motorway - it behaved impeccably!


Bed & Breakfast was at this little house



A roam into the countryside around Chipping Campden






Headed out the original dealers via Seymours of Thame who were the Velo gurus during the '60's. Got chatting to an old bloke in his '90's who had gone to North Africa and back on a BSA Bantam straight after the War in 1946. I asked him if anything had gone wrong - "just a headlamp bulb went"



Got to Moore's of Hemel Hempstead. The Venom was sold from here in May 1964 - the original owner's Grandson is now running the business. Didn't seem that arsed about the Velocette though...



Ended up at the Ace Cafe on the North Circular. I used to live about a mile from it, so I visited some friends and then had a bacon butty. A Japanese woman called Hiroko was on the '49 Triumph Speed Twin. It's her everyday transport - and she was dressed in all the period gear. A very cool Woman.



Lastly on the way back to Manchester, I called in at the old Hall Green Velocette factory in Birmingham. Or where it once stood! The gates are where the original entrance was.



A diversion in and out of Wales to Llangollen and then I was back home. Those ace bars are a little uncomfortable on such long distances, but overall it was thoroughly enjoyable and a very long way from this...


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I hadn't mentioned much about the 'pinking' that I had terrible trouble with.

I retimed to 36 degrees spot on and it was better - however things were still not right under sudden acceleration, it would pink like hell.

It had two 0.031" compression plates under the barrel too. Under close scrutiny - it turned out that someone had machined the barrel base to give a higher compression. I could have put more plates underneath but I just thought to hell with it and stumped up the cash for a new barrel from Grove Classics. It solved everything and runs like an absolute dream. I could never have entertained such a trip previous to this alteration


I also bought an original AMAL 10TT9 1 3/16" carb for it - however that too proved to be a pain in the neck, leaking petrol everywhere. Various folks who had them first time round advised me to just 'put it above the fireplace and polish it'. so I stuck with the Monobloc...


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Hi Steve,

Great stuff, a proper ride out!

Is Seymours still trading? I assumed that after Liz's passing they had closed down, it's hard to tell from your picture but the shop window looks empty.

Bry


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