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Mysterious Ariel brought home #459705
10/20/12 6:53 pm
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This one is a mystery to me. Excuse my ignorance, for I am not very acquainted with Ariels.

Can anyone please help identify the model and year of this Ariel? There is no engine number that I could find on the left side of the motor, apart from the raised part number of the cylinder.

Could this be a Red Hunter from the late forties?








Last edited by kylohere; 10/20/12 6:54 pm.

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1956 Triumph Terrier
1942 Triumph 3HW
1944 BSA M20
1946 AJS 16M
1943 Matchless G3L
1980 Royal Enfield Bullet 350
1969 Royal Enfield Crusader
1949(?) Ariel Red Hunter 350
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Re: Mysterious Ariel brought home [Re: kylohere] #459863
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That's quite a find, I've heard that container loads of old UK bikes are shipped to India for some reason... environmental perhaps? It looks like a late 1930's red hunter 350. It's unusual to find one as complete and original as that. Evidently it even has the original low bars based on the pics.

Re: Mysterious Ariel brought home [Re: kylohere] #459864
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Hi!
Thanks for the reply, 'Dana_twin'! With regard to the old UK bikes being shipped here, well I don't really know. You see, here in India, importing any pre-owned automobile or motorcycle isn't allowed by law, unless the owner relocates into the country or something on those lines. For scrap, may be but they definitely won't be complete motorcycles such as this one.

I must admit that Ariels aren't too common here in India. The ex-WD BSAs and Triumphs and Nortons are easier to find. And amongst the Ariels, the ex-WD girder forked model is the most common of them all. But true gems keep popping up in this country. Like that Brough Superior that surfaced a few years ago...

I can't really get an accurate dating done on this bike because there simply isn't any engine number to be found. Thanks once again for taking the time to help me out!

Cheers!


- kylohere
1956 Triumph Terrier
1942 Triumph 3HW
1944 BSA M20
1946 AJS 16M
1943 Matchless G3L
1980 Royal Enfield Bullet 350
1969 Royal Enfield Crusader
1949(?) Ariel Red Hunter 350
Re: Mysterious Ariel brought home [Re: Dana_twin] #459892
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Originally Posted By: Dana_twin
It looks like a late 1930's red hunter 350.


Based on my information it would appear to be a late'40s VG500. It has the valenced front mudguard of that model and the oil tank is the larger size as fitted to the 500s. No pre-war Ariels had telescopic forks - they were all girders. The VGs were lower priced than the VH Red Hunters.

The engine number should be on the left crankcase just below the cylinder.

Bruce

Last edited by Bruce Martin; 10/21/12 10:58 pm.

1937 Ariel Red Hunter 500
1970 Triumph Bonneville

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Re: Mysterious Ariel brought home [Re: kylohere] #459963
10/22/12 8:23 am
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Greetings Bruce!
Well, that's exactly what I thought this one is - a late forties model. I checked exactly where you said I should look for the engine number, but there's nothing there.

The cylinder looks awfully small to be a 500, I reckon. But I could be wrong about that. Any ideas about how I can confirm the model for certain? I need to know because I'm planning on starting the restoration work soon and there's no way I can look for parts without knowing which model they are for.

Thanks for the help!
The plot thickens...

Last edited by kylohere; 10/22/12 8:25 am.

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1956 Triumph Terrier
1942 Triumph 3HW
1944 BSA M20
1946 AJS 16M
1943 Matchless G3L
1980 Royal Enfield Bullet 350
1969 Royal Enfield Crusader
1949(?) Ariel Red Hunter 350
Re: Mysterious Ariel brought home [Re: kylohere] #460014
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Re: Mysterious Ariel brought home [Re: kylohere] #460225
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The frame number should be on the right side of the bike on the tube under the saddle. The engine number, at least on my Ariel, is in quite small print immediately above the word 'ARIEL' on the left hand crankcase and just below the cylinder flange. It could be difficult to see. There are several sources of year/serial numbers on the web so this shouldn't be too difficult to sort out.

Ariel singles are comparatively easy to restore because most parts are readily available from Draganfly in the UK. Having said that, you've got a job ahead of you.

Bruce

Last edited by Bruce Martin; 10/23/12 4:49 pm.

1937 Ariel Red Hunter 500
1970 Triumph Bonneville

Making the scene with the gasoline
Re: Mysterious Ariel brought home [Re: kylohere] #460522
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Thanks a tonne for all the help guys!


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1956 Triumph Terrier
1942 Triumph 3HW
1944 BSA M20
1946 AJS 16M
1943 Matchless G3L
1980 Royal Enfield Bullet 350
1969 Royal Enfield Crusader
1949(?) Ariel Red Hunter 350
Re: Mysterious Ariel brought home [Re: kylohere] #461987
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The numbers should be where the above guy`s say they are . Also look on the transmission main case . Sometimes this helps to date the bike . I have a 1947 Twin Port 500 single in the works that looks very much the same as yours . Any chance there are parts around your area that I could purchase for my project ? John


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