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'67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! #451253
08/27/12 4:08 pm
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I stumbled upon these guys getting ready to take off on a ride Sunday as I was almost at work. Needless to say, I had to stop and see what this Brit bike gathering was about! One fellow had an amazing bike. He told me it is an unmolseted, unrestored (except the speedo cup), bought from the original owner bike. WOW !! The stuff of dreams that's for sure!! I think a '67 small badge A65 is about as pretty as they get!!
I hope he doesn't mind me posting these............
OH, almost forgot,... He also told me the original plate is under the DMV temp paper Lic, in the dealer frame, with a '67/'68 sticker!!! Can you stand it????








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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451266
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Righteous machine! Who are these guys

Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451280
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tough deal to have the commitment and passion to keep one in that shape.beautiful!!! i,m 9 yrs into my 03 bonny and 35 yrs into my 75 T-160 sitting side by side in the dining room both showroom and the triple unrestored and with just over 10 thousand miles. bought it new in aug 1977 as a 2 old leftover.

Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451331
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It looks great. Preserve it. If he rides it regularly, it'll never be that nice again. Is he bringing it to the 2014 Rally?


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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451339
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I don't know the guy, and probably will never see him again. I have been around these things long enough to see age though, and this thing is unrestored. Bought by a man's wife as a gift, and he didn't bond to the bike but kept it..... so the story goes. Myself, I hope he rides the heck out of it. I learned many years ago, that saving them just gives someone else a nice item when you give it up!


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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451567
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Going over the bike I think it is very very original. The black chain guard is correct for the 67 and the chrome rear backing plate appears to be a 66 and that would also make sense. Clear fuel lines appear to be right as this goes back and forth clear or black. Pin stripe on the side cover may have been an afterthought. Not sure on that. Looks good like that.
I appreciate your photos, seeing this kinda stuff is defiantly what I enjoy.
Preservation bikes and cars are the most valuable. GIves us nut and bolt guys a standard to measure up to.
Thanks again,
Richard

Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451607
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This is a page from the '67 catalog. Some apparent differences from the machine above: chain guard, front fender, color

The catalog picture looks more like a Royal Star



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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: Gary E] #451625
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Yes. Painted fenders instead of chrome.
Or, was this the home market version?

Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451631
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The Spares manual indicates chrome fenders for all models both home and export markets, but we all know the Royal Star came with a blue fender with white pin stripes.


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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451639
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The plot thickens.

Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451642
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Yes it does, especially with this original '67 factory poster that is hanging in my shop.



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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451657
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I wrote in a different thread that there should not be a white pinstripe on the side panels; apparently I was wrong. FWIW, the (red) side panels on my '67 Lightning did not originally have a pinstripe.

According to the '67 Factory Spares manual, Thunderbolts came in either black or flamboyant blue. The mudguards and chainguard are pictured as chrome for all A50 and A65 models, but the mudguards for "L,S,T,&R" list a different part number for "USA models".


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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451665
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In 67 I was 17. I woulda looked at that TBolt poster and said, "Oh no, not me- I gotta have a Hornet or a Spitfire or even a Lightning." Now that Thunderbolt looks like the perfect bike. I wish most of my bikes had half as many carbs as they do.

Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451667
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I have an old 1967 A65T here and it has black painted guards, as does another I know of in this town.

I think I would be trusting an original barn find bike ahead of a publicity shot. From memory one brochure had a bike missing HT leads or a clutch cable or something.

I think Bacon's twin book has a photo of a new bike with painted mudguards also.
I am curious about the grab bar on the original bike at the top of this thread. Did they first make an appearance sometime during the 1967 season ?
It certainly is a very smart bike. It would be nice to see more of it.


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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: Mark Z] #451681
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Originally Posted By: Mark Z
...According to the '67 Factory Spares manual, Thunderbolts came in either black or flamboyant blue...

Mark,
Where in the manual does it indicate that?

Originally Posted By: Mark Z
...The mudguards and chainguard are pictured as chrome for all A50 and A65 models, but the mudguards for "L,S,T,&R" list a different part number for "USA models".

All but the US model front fenders have the pedestrian slicer on the top. The US models do not. And the manual does not list the blue Royal Star fender both front and rear.

For me, I like the black version the best.


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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451686
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you can tell its how it left the factory, the side panel decal is on the piss !!!


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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451699
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Once again I remind members that a "factory shot " is what the design & advertising team thought the factory would be producing not actually what came off the line.

The Aust versions had a front plate that went transverse across the front guard so there is another difference


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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451721
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I guess it would be our nature on this board to REALLY scrutinize a bike that might give us some clues of the past !! The new owner did tell me what had been told tto him. We all know that having survived 45 years, maybe something DID get replaced........ I just don't think so myself. It had the right old look to the wiring, all domed Bolts, none rounded off, and showed very low miles on the speedo, black metal ties holding the wires to the frame..... etc. Sure was nice!!
That advertisement photo we are thinking of is the '66 Spitfire, with no fuel lines to the carbs. You have to remember that the marketing Dept was putting together brochures WAY before the bikes hit the showroom, maybe they were mocked up to get the ads out in time to the buying public,.... an ocean away !!!
That poster Gary has sure looks like the bike in the lot!!!

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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451733
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Originally Posted By: KC in S.B.
...That advertisement photo we are thinking of is the '66 Spitfire, with no fuel lines to the carbs....

Not sure about the '66 Spitfire missing fuel line as the catalog picture is really dark in that spot, but the '68 catalog has the fuel lines missing on the Firebird Scrambler, as well as the Spitfire tank on it.

The California bike has the passenger grab handle as it should, as does the poster bike (black one); the blue catalog bike does not.

Originally Posted By: KC in S.B.
...That poster Gary has sure looks like the bike in the lot!!!

They do look exactly alike. Maybe it's the same machine that was used for the poster shoot. Ha!


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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451745
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There will be a judges meeting at my house beer and intentionally famous burgers by Rich will be provided. Donations accepted. Bring your best motorcycle and documentation. Let the beer and brain cells flow.

Thought for sure the chain guard was black, its black on the 66 t-bolt and the I think the 68 on.

I must tip my hat to our friend KC who always posts a messages with long legs.
Also Edwards who is nothing less than a remarkable historian & restorian.

Oh least I forget the Bitsa Boys. This is exactly why you do what you do.

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Good that the fuel lines were there AND connected.

I must have to admit, that I often trailer my machines to events. Don't know about distances in the UK between events, but here in the western US, and from the state of Oregon, it is in the hundreds of miles. Add the situation that the Hornets (2 of them) as well as the Wasp, are not very roadable for more than a few miles, then the trailer becomes a necessity. An added issue is it is very hard for me to ride 3 machines at once. So, for those that it really bothers, not you Allan, my machines are "trailer queens". I will be at the 2014 Rally, with rider bikes (2 of them - Spitfire & Firebird) in the trailer to go the over 400 mile trip. Are they "trailer queens" too?

Hope to see that '67 T-bolt survivor there.


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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: Gary E] #451798
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I'll have "trailer queens" as well. Although they will be inside my van...

I might bring a trailer, to fetch breakdowns. I may need to tell someone my cell number, in case I might be close to someone broke down on the way to the event, along the way I will be going... I-80 mostly... Gary, who should I get in contact for that info?

I'll be driving @ 3,000 miles each way... Three boiks? in the van?
Each of them will be riders though, not true trailer queens....

Ohhh, I hope the event is scheduled to be longer than just a single weekend...
Brett

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Brett,
Swing down thru Santa Barbara on your way and pickup that T-bolt survivor. It'll only add about 1,000 miles to your trip. Bringing your van... ok good...better than trying to squeeze those machines into your Porsche, as I recall I have seen.

When the BSAOC Nor Cal gets the place and dates all set, then they will be into phase 2 which is the details. That is when it would be a good time to step forward with your rescue plan and info. I believe the rally will be a week in length.


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Re: '67 T-Bolt survivor......Eat your heart out!! [Re: KC in S.B.] #451833
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Posted by Gary E:
"Mark, Where in the manual does it indicate that?"

Hmm, I guess it doesn't. It has all the colors and suffixes in the front, but it doesn't say which colors go with which models. I must have read that somewhere else. Pardon my error; I've had these books for nigh on forty years.

And yes, I realize that the Spares book doesn't tell the whole story. I will say though, that for my '67 Lightning, which was completely original when I bought it except for the mufflers, the Spares manual is accurate in every detail.


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Dang. I was hoping you found something in there that I have overlooked for years. The manual is always entertaining though. Some parts on these machines that aren't in the manual. Keeps us from getting bored. My bride just rolls her eyes back and says, "trivia".


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