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MZ Help please! #446814
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I know, it's not British, but I don't know of another source of info on these bikes, and I know for a fact that some on this board ride them, so please forgive me for the non-British content , as well as for the horrible cell phone pictures.

My problem is that I have no idea of what I've got:



I'd like to ride it, but it also has one small problem:



It's missing the right hand side cover.

So, can anyone help me identify this bike and perhaps even help me find a side cover for it?

Much appreciated!

Jim

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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: Jim Hultman] #446817
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Dat dere KarlB (who is NOT from Scouser country but you can see it from there) will be along momentarily and will be able to tell you the name, rank, serial number, and previous owners of your little East German jewel, together with two or three sources of side covers.

Since they never imported these things here through proper dealers (just in crates as gray-market "parts kits"), the likelihood of USA source parts is low .....

Hope the crank seals are OK so it will go! They're fun to ride ....

Lannis


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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: Jim Hultman] #446837
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What you've got there is a four speed MZ TS250. TS stands for Trophy Sport and they are much loved by Mzedders for their spread of torque low down. They are fairly rare but many of the parts are interchangeable with earlier ES/ETS and later TS250\1 Supafive models. For example the sidepanel should be the same as the later Supafive.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1974-mz-ts2501.htm

http://www.mzridersclub.com/html/2_stroke.html

Haynes manual is OK but the original factory manual can still be found on fleabay or copies from MZRC.

As Lannis said if it has been standing around for years it will probably need new engine seals, I put a later five speed engine together recenlly, they are very easy to work on. Hope you get it out on the road and enjoy ridiing it...post pics when you do! smile

Spares:

http://www.mzridersclub.com/html/spares_news.html

www.mz-b.com

And a whole bunch of other UK and German ones on the internet...



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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: KarlB] #446840
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Wow, Karl, a veritable gold mine of MZ info! I already see a side cover for a ETZ 250 on one of your links, and it's only 28 pounds, and maybe there are more.

The resources are MUCH better than I expected, so I figure I will have to get the old girl over to the shop this winter and see if I can have her ready for next summer's riding. Can't wait to see the looks on all the youngsters' faces while they try to figure out what this is! laughing

I must admit one disappointment though. My bike has red body work and a blue tank. I was thinking they built them that way, but your links show bikes all one color. I think I'll leave mine the way it is and tell people that's the way they came!! grin

Thanks a bunch Karl. I'll sneak a pic of the bike when I get to work on it, even though it ain't British, I expect folks will tolerate it! bigt

Re: MZ Help please! [Re: Jim Hultman] #446841
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The ETZ side panels are different to the earlier TS models methinks, square ally instead of rounder pressed steel. BTW the air filters are the same as old BMC Minis...
There seems to be a renovation club in Miami Florida?

The Brit connection is that BSA acquired the original DKW RT125 engine (as did Harley) that later bcame the BSA Bantam that basically saved BSA from an earlier bankruptcy.

Stealing Speed by mat Oxley is a good read of how Suzuki stole MZ technical secrets and the Grand Prix World Championship.
Mick Walker has also written a very good history of all the MZ bikes... smile

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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: KarlB] #446842
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Originally Posted By: KarlB
There seems to be a renovation club in Miami Florida?

My, this is strange.

http://www.mzpartsmiami.com/About-Us.html

Evidently there is some connection between Cuban immigrants and the MZ's they had in Cuba. I have a friend who left Cuba when Castro took over. I'll have to ask him.

Interesting stuff!

Re: MZ Help please! [Re: KarlB] #446845
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Originally Posted By: KarlB
What you've got there is a four speed MZ TS250.

Would you happen have a guess at what year this bike might be?

Thanks!

Jim

Re: MZ Help please! [Re: Jim Hultman] #446847
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Mid seventies, it should have a factory plate on the side of the headstock (if someone hasn't removed it) quite often there will be a manufacture year on it. MZs do not have matching frame/ engine numbers and little sense to either as far as dating goes... smile


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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: KarlB] #446851
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I'll take a look at the name plate next time I'm over to the storage shed.

In the mean time, I'll try to find a mid-seventies parts book. I recall when I got the bike, it had been running but the guy I got it from seemed to think that the carb float was sinking. Something about a brass float that caused problems on these bikes?

I never looked in to it, but for some reason this bike has got my attention again. I need a little two stroke smoke!! laughing

Re: MZ Help please! [Re: Jim Hultman] #446860
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No real problems with the carbs but as they run premix (oil and petrol) they can get gummed up if left for any length of time leading to the carb flooding etc, normal stuff. Also certain two stroke oils don't stay mixed so when tou open the fuel tap the oil collects in the carb making it run very smokey and difficult to start.

Online copy of the original factory manual can be found here:

http://www.dgw.org.uk/downloads/ts250-manual-image.pdf


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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: KarlB] #446870
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Originally Posted By: KarlB
Online copy of the original factory manual can be found here:

Thanks!

Got the manual downloaded and saved. Any idea of where I might find a parts book?

Re: MZ Help please! [Re: KarlB] #446884
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Originally Posted By: KarlB
The ETZ side panels are different to the earlier TS models methinks, square ally instead of rounder pressed steel.

Karl, does this look it might be the right one?




It's on eBay and labeled as 1974 MZ TS250 TS 250 CHROME RIGHT SIDE COVER. Spendy, though. He want's $100 for it.

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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: Jim Hultman] #446910
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That's the one, rather expensive, they go for around a tenth of that or less on UK eBay!


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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: Jim Hultman] #446912
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This one's more interesting:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MZ-TS-250-250-...=item3f18acad09

Some guy by the name of Kev in the UK? You know him? laughing

Re: MZ Help please! [Re: Jim Hultman] #446913
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I'm not sure if I've met him but I have bought bits from him before without any problems. As for my parts books I get them from the UK MZRC, they go for around 10 and are on their regalia page, I believe they also do them on CD. Time for me to pull the next project out of the shed, pictures to follow...


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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: Jim Hultman] #446971
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Jim this is my Supafive, the model after yours;



I finished fettling it today, it's had new main bearings, seals and small end. Lannis' son rode it around the IOM last year. It's had a bit of a flat spot at high speed under load, turned out to be a low fuel height in the carburettor. That took a while to diagnose! Yes, that is a Grimeeca brake on the front, from a Ducati 250. Much better than the weedy TS brake.

You can see the difference between the TS and ETZ side panels here between my Supafive (TS) and my ETZ;



Onto the next project now!


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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: KarlB] #447084
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Originally Posted By: KarlB
Jim this is my Supafive, the model after yours;


Jeez, what's wrong with me! That is a beautiful bike and I'm becoming a two stroke nut! eek

Oh well, the good news is that there a very few of these in the US and I think the one I have will serve to satisfy my two stroke fixation for now.
bigt


PS - You were right, Karl. I found a side cover for 6 pounds on UK eBay.

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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: Jim Hultman] #447087
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It's OK - Alec and I became two-stroke nuts after riding these very bikes around the IOM last year:









Neither one of us is a small guy, but these 250s pulled us around everywhere with no trouble - 1st kick starters, good runners in the rain; I'd love to have one over here myself ....

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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: Jim Hultman] #447658
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Jim, I was pondering about the spare parts lists. I've always used the online ones available here:

http://www.support.mz-b.info/mz/angebot/english/emenue.htm

If you click on the chart links at the top of each listing you get pages like this;

http://www.support.mz-b.info/ts250/tafel2a.htm

I'm not sure how long these pages will remain as they are from the original German company MZ-B which has recently moved to a Hungarian base...





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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: KarlB] #447778
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Wow, amazing technology. Considering the East German origins, I wasn't expecting that. I think they even take PayPal! grin

Now I just have to get the bike over to the shop and see what parts I need. The side cover should be here shortly.

Thanks Karl! bigt

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Took a closer look at the MZ today. Still back behind a couple other bikes, but I was able to kick it over. Feels good. Throttle is also free. Clutch adjuster is missing, but should be easy to replace.

A couple of the turn signal lenses have been taken off, but they are Lucas, so I expect I must have used them for something else. No worries, I have extras. The only thing that bothers me is that the top chain guide is rotted. Might run that way for a while, but will need replacement.

I'm also missing the little cover on the back of the seat, evidently for a tool box or something? And a seat cover would be nice.

So far haven't been been able to find the parts on the web site. Once I get the bike over to the shop, I'll have to make up a parts list. I was thinking I might even take a shot at getting her running this fall. We'll see! grin

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Jim the rear seat cover does indeed cover the tool roll storage at the back of the seat, a small tyre pump fits in there as well. The covers are quite rare but do come up now and then. The lock for them is the same as you'd find on those small bubble gum machines! You can till source new chain guards, after all MZ made over three million of this and similar models... smile


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Re: MZ Help please! [Re: KarlB] #448876
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Originally Posted By: KarlB
You can till source new chain guards, after all MZ made over three million of this and similar models... smile

Thanks Karl.

Do you have a link to who might have the chain guard?

Jim

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I got mine from MZ-B

http://www.mz-b.net/index.php?page=shop....t&Itemid=87

Not sure of dealers in the USA...


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Hi again

More questions please, if I could further impose on your time.

Got the side cover from England, and it is a perfect fit. So I started to look further in to the bike to get it ready to bring over to the shop.

Discovered I have gas tank problems, rusty inside. Might be able to clean it out enough with the old sheet rock screw shakeup routine, but it may need to be lined. No really big deal, I guess.

The other question is about ignition. Does this bike have a key? It has what looks like the old /2 and /5 BMW key thingy. That key turns to three positions, but I haven't been able to remove it from the bike. Is it supposed to come out? All the handlebar switches seem in excellent shape, needing only a little lubrication, I suspect.

Little bummed about the tank, but we'll see. Might be able to clean it up.

Really appreciate any help.

Jim

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