BritBike Forum logo
BritBike Sponsor BritBike Sponsor BritBike Sponsor
BritBike Sponsor

BritBike Sponsor

BritBike Sponsor
BritBike Sponsor BritBike Sponsor BritBike Sponsor
Jwood & co JRC Engineering dealers Jwood & co
Home | Sponsors, Newsletter | Regalia | Calendar | Bike Project | BritBike Museum | Spiders Cartoons, "OLD" BritBike Forum | DVD- Manuals & Parts books | BritBike Stickers & Decals
Upgrade to: Premium Membership | Premium Life Membership | Vendor Membership | Site Sponsor Membership
Member Spotlight
Ola
Ola
Norway
Posts: 529
Joined: October 2001
Show All Member Profiles 
Shout Box
Search eBay for motorcycle parts in following countries
Australia, Canada, France, Holland, Italy, United Kingdom, USA
Random Gallery photo
Who's Online Now
31 registered members (Bodie), 229 guests, and 394 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Bob Board, Onder Zee, WardDuffield, Biscuits, DT 150
10294 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
Stuart 97
Lannis 68
Mori55 67
Popular Topics(Views)
640,014 mail-order LSR
Forum Statistics
Forums34
Topics67,418
Posts654,633
Members10,294
Most Online3,995
Feb 13th, 2017
Like BritBike.com on Facebook

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter #445101
07/17/12 5:37 pm
07/17/12 5:37 pm
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
KC in S.B. Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
KC in S.B.  Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
I ask this once in awhile to see if anyone has found a nice replacement. In my opinion, amps is useless, and volts much more to the point. The trouble being that just like the ammeter, nothing I have found would stand the vibration of a Brit bike!! I did see one really nice install, but that fellow was a rocket scientist, and built the Digital circuit and display himself!!


Down to 1 BSA, 2 Triumphs, 1 '56 Chevy
Oops,.. add 1 Sporty
Support Your #1 BritBike Forum!

Check out British motorcycles for sale:
British Motorcycles on e-Bay UK, British motorcycles on e-Bay North America
Check out British motorcycles for sale:
British Motorcycles on e-Bay UK, British motorcycles on e-Bay North America
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #445102
07/17/12 5:53 pm
07/17/12 5:53 pm
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,113
Ottawa, Canada
gREgg-K Offline

BritBike Forum member
gREgg-K  Offline

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,113
Ottawa, Canada
KC,
Lucas did make an expanded scale voltmeter for cars, but I think it is too deep to fit in the headlamp shell.

There are lots of small digital panel meters on eBay, but while they are thin, all the ones I've seen are too big to fit in the space. Various ones appear on the following page:

http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_from=R40&...-All-Categories


A few years ago I got a combination voltage/temperature/clock module for one of my J bikes, about the size of a pocket comb. Some like it appear here:

http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=therm...6.c0.m270.l1313

It had to fit on a bracket I made on the triple clamp, but it did work well. On a Brit bike, it might be wise to rubber mount it.

.. Gregg


Spyder Integrated Technologies
Lucas, BTH, & Miller Magneto & Dynamo Restoration
SMITHS Chronometric Restoration
magneto@spyder-it.com
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #445127
07/17/12 10:07 pm
07/17/12 10:07 pm
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
KC in S.B. Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
KC in S.B.  Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
I keep on the hope to find a simple round replacement,..... probably too much to ask. Some of the LED voltage indicators, (change colors to show status), need additional circuit boards mounted also. The same for the digital readout panel gages.
You would think this not to be an unusual request..... NOT!
I did buy a Sterling TM, LED indicator for one bike, and it works well. It fits a hole size about as the original warning lamps in the headlight. Ideally, it would be best to have an actual reading, to see over / under voltage conditions. Over voltage not uncommon on bikes still using the Zener with a poor ground path. Under voltage, well, we all know that happens!


Down to 1 BSA, 2 Triumphs, 1 '56 Chevy
Oops,.. add 1 Sporty
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #445130
07/17/12 10:18 pm
07/17/12 10:18 pm
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 338
florida
L
LeonGustus Offline
BritBike Forum member
LeonGustus  Offline
BritBike Forum member
L
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 338
florida
I bought a set of three gauges from Sunpro (www.sunpro.com) maybe from autozone and used the whitefaced voltmeter in my 70 tbolt. It required a thin spacer as it was a little too deep to fit in the headlight, but the diameter was right. I considered using its' oil pressure gauge in the ammeters spot but couldn't get the plumbing right. The number on the bag was "1JGO(35PZAS)". Maybe that's a part number. Seems like it always read 12 volts instead of varying with the alternator output, but with Boyer, that's all I cared about - what was available to use. It didn't bounce around like the ammeter on my Royal Star. Functional but not not so Smiths-like in appearance.


October of 69-A50R
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #445132
07/17/12 10:27 pm
07/17/12 10:27 pm
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,018
Gnashville
DavidP Offline

BritBike Forum member
DavidP  Offline

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,018
Gnashville
I would think that an 8-segment L.E.D. meter would be quite difficult to read in daylight. Harbor Freight sells a battery/alternator tester which uses a ladder meter with six diodes for about $5.
Perhaps I could put together a similar circuit and mount it to a circular panel to fit Brit headlights. Seems to be a market for it?


Stepping on others doesn't make you stand tall.

71 A65L "Zelda"
92 BMW K100rs "Gustav"
72 T120V cafe project "Mr. Jim"
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #445142
07/17/12 11:36 pm
07/17/12 11:36 pm
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,655
Mississauga, Ontario.
A
Adam M. Offline
BritBike Forum member
Adam M.  Offline
BritBike Forum member
A
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,655
Mississauga, Ontario.
I use the same Sunpro voltmeter, and it shows some difference in charging when I turn lights on.
No lights - 13.2V, lights on - 12.5V

Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #445383
07/19/12 5:13 pm
07/19/12 5:13 pm
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
KC in S.B. Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
KC in S.B.  Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
The SunPro idea is what I would like to try. So far, when I find a Volt meter that is small enough to fit in the hole, they don't seem able to take the Vibs. Does the SunPro come in a smaller size? The site I looked at showed the 2" Dia size, which is a bit large. VDO sells a line in "Mico" size that is almost a drop in fit. What size is the SunPro you fellows used?


Down to 1 BSA, 2 Triumphs, 1 '56 Chevy
Oops,.. add 1 Sporty
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #445400
07/19/12 7:52 pm
07/19/12 7:52 pm
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,655
Mississauga, Ontario.
A
Adam M. Offline
BritBike Forum member
Adam M.  Offline
BritBike Forum member
A
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,655
Mississauga, Ontario.
I don't have a package anymore, but it was drop in fit.
Only problem it is little longer than ammeter and without a spacer is difficult to put it together with H4 lamp I have.
Go to Sunpro website and find a size.
Cost from our Crappy Tire was around $40 for three of them.
I still have to install an oil pressure gauge.

Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #445598
07/21/12 5:34 pm
07/21/12 5:34 pm
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,018
Gnashville
DavidP Offline

BritBike Forum member
DavidP  Offline

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,018
Gnashville
Originally Posted By: KC in S.B.
The SunPro idea is what I would like to try. So far, when I find a Volt meter that is small enough to fit in the hole, they don't seem able to take the Vibs.

Can't say about their volt meter. I had a Sunpro OP gauge which lasted maybe a year with the vibes on my A65.


Stepping on others doesn't make you stand tall.

71 A65L "Zelda"
92 BMW K100rs "Gustav"
72 T120V cafe project "Mr. Jim"
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #445612
07/21/12 8:49 pm
07/21/12 8:49 pm
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
KC in S.B. Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
KC in S.B.  Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
I did a search using "Mini voltmeter", one of the returns was pages and pages of voltmeters by different MFRs.
There were a few that had my interest. One I really like is not sold in the USA,........ Rats!!

http://www.torqdistribution.com/index.ph...roductbrand=043

And another intersting one, that probably could take the vibration:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xscorpion-DVM3RS...=item46054a047d


Down to 1 BSA, 2 Triumphs, 1 '56 Chevy
Oops,.. add 1 Sporty
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #445679
07/22/12 3:17 pm
07/22/12 3:17 pm
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
KC in S.B. Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
KC in S.B.  Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
Too bad "not available", I wonder if there are any out there sitting on a shelf?
(To make the link work, accept the agreement and click enter)

http://www.torqdistribution.com/index.php?action=product&searchType=brands&productId=9502

Last edited by KC in S.B.; 07/23/12 2:59 pm.

Down to 1 BSA, 2 Triumphs, 1 '56 Chevy
Oops,.. add 1 Sporty
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #446081
07/25/12 12:43 pm
07/25/12 12:43 pm
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
kurt fischer Online content

#irideslow
kurt fischer  Online Content

#irideslow
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
Originally Posted By: KC in S.B.
And another interesting one, that probably could take the vibration:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xscorpion-DVM3RS...=item46054a047d


Just ordered one (in black) for my Triumph Bitsa 650, figured I'd risk $9.99, could always use it on one bike or another. Will report back. Thanks for the post.


Kurt
1968-70-71 Triumph TR6R Bitsa - 1969 Triumph TR6R - 1971 BSA A65L - 1973 Triumph TR5T
2005 Ducati MTS 1000S DS - 2012 Ducati Hyper 796 - 2014 Kawasaki ZX1000
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #446096
07/25/12 3:09 pm
07/25/12 3:09 pm
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
KC in S.B. Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
KC in S.B.  Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
Yes, Please do let us know how it, fits / works / looks / Etc!!
At $9.99, you got a better price than that link! KC


Down to 1 BSA, 2 Triumphs, 1 '56 Chevy
Oops,.. add 1 Sporty
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #446104
07/25/12 3:36 pm
07/25/12 3:36 pm
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
kurt fischer Online content

#irideslow
kurt fischer  Online Content

#irideslow
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
KC/SB -- the silver tone bezel is $11.99, I went for the black bezel at 2 bucks less, goes better with my Bitsa with its ominous look cool


Kurt
1968-70-71 Triumph TR6R Bitsa - 1969 Triumph TR6R - 1971 BSA A65L - 1973 Triumph TR5T
2005 Ducati MTS 1000S DS - 2012 Ducati Hyper 796 - 2014 Kawasaki ZX1000
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #447263
08/02/12 6:25 pm
08/02/12 6:25 pm
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
kurt fischer Online content

#irideslow
kurt fischer  Online Content

#irideslow
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
Originally Posted By: KC in S.B.
Yes, Please do let us know how it, fits / works / looks / Etc!!
At $9.99, you got a better price than that link! KC


OK, got it in and tested it on my Bitsa, reads the same as my new Sperry meter. Did not go bonkers with motor running. Nice bright red LEDs, not the typical black on grey that I can't read while riding.

Like a lot of these you see for sale, this was designed for inside use in or on a car dash. So you'd have to make it weather resistant, for one thing.

It's too big to drop into the nacelle, measures 1 and 7/8" diameter. All plastic, goes without saying I guess.

I have some ideas of how to mount it on my Bitsa up near the tach. Will post progress.

"Xscorpion DVM3RB 3-Digit LED Digital Voltage Display VoltMeter"

eBay Item number: 300746831368



Last edited by kurt fischer; 08/02/12 6:48 pm.

Kurt
1968-70-71 Triumph TR6R Bitsa - 1969 Triumph TR6R - 1971 BSA A65L - 1973 Triumph TR5T
2005 Ducati MTS 1000S DS - 2012 Ducati Hyper 796 - 2014 Kawasaki ZX1000
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #447427
08/04/12 2:37 am
08/04/12 2:37 am
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
KC in S.B. Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
KC in S.B.  Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
Thanks for the evaluation!! It sounds like it may be the answer, and weather......????? WE don't need no stink'in weather !! ;-)


Down to 1 BSA, 2 Triumphs, 1 '56 Chevy
Oops,.. add 1 Sporty
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #447449
08/04/12 11:21 am
08/04/12 11:21 am
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
kurt fischer Online content

#irideslow
kurt fischer  Online Content

#irideslow
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
Update -- got it bolted up on the Bitsa, will start it up later today after the neighbors are awake :-)

Picture essay to follow.

Last edited by kurt fischer; 08/10/12 11:15 am.

Kurt
1968-70-71 Triumph TR6R Bitsa - 1969 Triumph TR6R - 1971 BSA A65L - 1973 Triumph TR5T
2005 Ducati MTS 1000S DS - 2012 Ducati Hyper 796 - 2014 Kawasaki ZX1000
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #448253
08/08/12 10:11 pm
08/08/12 10:11 pm
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
KC in S.B. Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
KC in S.B.  Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
"I did buy a Sterling TM, LED indicator for one bike, and it works well. It fits a hole size about as the original warning lamps in the headlight."

I stumbled on that site again, so thought I'd pass it along. PROS:The thing is small, works well, and can be mounted easily.
2 wire install, no remote box.
CONS:I recall it was about $45 + shipping, so a bit pricy.

http://sterlingmotorworks.com/inc/pdetail?v=1&pid=455


Down to 1 BSA, 2 Triumphs, 1 '56 Chevy
Oops,.. add 1 Sporty
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #448297
08/09/12 4:40 am
08/09/12 4:40 am
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,018
Gnashville
DavidP Offline

BritBike Forum member
DavidP  Offline

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,018
Gnashville
Just a thought.
I've seen single LED's which change color according to polarity. This is not a solution for the ammeter in the headlight shell. However, combined with a shunt, this might be a good, cheap charging indicator.


Stepping on others doesn't make you stand tall.

71 A65L "Zelda"
92 BMW K100rs "Gustav"
72 T120V cafe project "Mr. Jim"
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: kurt fischer] #448333
08/09/12 12:23 pm
08/09/12 12:23 pm
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
kurt fischer Online content

#irideslow
kurt fischer  Online Content

#irideslow
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
*Warning*
The following post contains graphic images of PVC plumbing fittings -- viewer discretion advised! grin
**********

Here's the eBay $9.99 voltage meter mounted on my Bitsa. I have run it in place, so far so good. Will road test and report back. If or when I install a Smiths style speedo, I'll just move it inboard. If it works well, I'll mount one on my stock-ish TR6R.

"Xscorpion DVM3RB 3-Digit LED Digital Voltage Display VoltMeter"
eBay Item number: 300746831368





The housing is a 99 cent PVC plumbing cap, with two 1/4" holes bored for mounting and wire exit.



The meter is a very light push fit into the cap. I'll probably seal it with a light wipe of silicone sealer.



The meter snaps open easily.








Last edited by kurt fischer; 08/10/12 11:17 am.

Kurt
1968-70-71 Triumph TR6R Bitsa - 1969 Triumph TR6R - 1971 BSA A65L - 1973 Triumph TR5T
2005 Ducati MTS 1000S DS - 2012 Ducati Hyper 796 - 2014 Kawasaki ZX1000
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: kurt fischer] #449190
08/14/12 5:02 pm
08/14/12 5:02 pm
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
kurt fischer Online content

#irideslow
kurt fischer  Online Content

#irideslow
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
I took a ride of about 60 miles this morning, so far so good on the $9.99 eBay voltage meter. It's nice to see the performance over a range of conditions, at the risk of taking your eyes off the road of course. The LEDs area little hard to read in direct sun, and the tenths flicker some as it varies like 13.4~13.6v, but you can make it out all right. Works for me ... so far.

Last edited by kurt fischer; 08/14/12 5:02 pm.

Kurt
1968-70-71 Triumph TR6R Bitsa - 1969 Triumph TR6R - 1971 BSA A65L - 1973 Triumph TR5T
2005 Ducati MTS 1000S DS - 2012 Ducati Hyper 796 - 2014 Kawasaki ZX1000
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #449419
08/16/12 3:46 am
08/16/12 3:46 am
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
KC in S.B. Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
KC in S.B.  Offline OP

BritBike Forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,308
Santa Barbara, California
Thanks for the update. So in short, the unit is cheap, mounts without alot of trouble, and............ IT WORKS!!! Most of the time, the 10ths of a volt arn't the issue. Your 13.xxx is looking good I'd say, maybe even a tad high!
Just curious, are you using something other than the stock rectifier/ziener ?


Down to 1 BSA, 2 Triumphs, 1 '56 Chevy
Oops,.. add 1 Sporty
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #449439
08/16/12 8:45 am
08/16/12 8:45 am
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 244
Ohio
B
BSAJIP Offline
BritBike Forum member
BSAJIP  Offline
BritBike Forum member
B
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 244
Ohio
KC,

I used a Sunpro voltmeter as well. It worked great for about 125 miles. The vibes got to it.

BSAJIP

Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #449449
08/16/12 12:12 pm
08/16/12 12:12 pm
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
kurt fischer Online content

#irideslow
kurt fischer  Online Content

#irideslow
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,006
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA
KC, ah, you want full disclosure, eh?! grin

The Bitsa runs a '68 TR6R motor. Alternator was new two years ago, maybe 2K miles by now, "T" for Taiwan. Tympanium R/R, NOS also installed two years ago, just had it tested by the local distributor, "GOOD" was the verdict. Boyer ignition. DIY harness, with lighting and ignition circuits separated.

H4 headlamp with relays. Bulb is "PIAA 70856 H4 Xtreme White Antivibration 60/55 Watt = 110/100 Watt." Hella Twin Supertone horns with relays. So many fuses I had to label them Oh, yeah, just installed a Shorai LI 12AH battery. Next mods will be LED tail-brake lamp, and a fuse panel, probably a hi-output alternator.

At idle, it reads 13.2 volts. Running with lo beam it stays around 13.2, on hi beam drops to 12.9 at lower revs. Cruising at 4K, it looked like 13.9 volts.

That's the news so far, HTH!

Last edited by kurt fischer; 08/16/12 12:36 pm.

Kurt
1968-70-71 Triumph TR6R Bitsa - 1969 Triumph TR6R - 1971 BSA A65L - 1973 Triumph TR5T
2005 Ducati MTS 1000S DS - 2012 Ducati Hyper 796 - 2014 Kawasaki ZX1000
Re: Anyone found a nice Voltmeter, instead of ammmeter [Re: KC in S.B.] #450026
08/20/12 12:00 pm
08/20/12 12:00 pm
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 352
Oslo Norway
P
Per B Offline
BritBike Forum member
Per B  Offline
BritBike Forum member
P
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 352
Oslo Norway
Voltage Monitor.
For a simple voltmeter diode, please have a look at this one, I have this one on my Goldi and my A65, visible in all kind of light conditions

http://www.norbsa02.freeuk.com/goffyelectrex.htm

Scroll down the page to see it.


best regards

Per
Goldi Clubmans
Goldi Scrambler
Rob North R3
OIF A65
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Alan_nc 


Home | Sponsors | Newsletter | Regalia | Calendar | Bike Project | BritBike Museum | Spiders Cartoons | "OLD" BritBike Forum | DVD- Manuals & Parts books | BritBike Stickers & Decals
Upgrade to: Premium Membership | Premium Life Membership | Vendor Membership | Site Sponsor Membership
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1