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#433413 - 05/05/12 6:03 am New Wassell Concentric Carbs?  
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Have they been discussed around here? I did a search, nothing showed. Brand new carb $150 shipped, doesn't sound too bad.

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#433430 - 05/05/12 9:36 am Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: leon bee]  
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First time I see this.
But if their basic material is harder and does not warp like the chewing gum used by AMAL, they can only be better.


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#433431 - 05/05/12 10:13 am Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: Ger B]  
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Hi Ger,

Originally Posted By: Ger
if their basic material is harder and does not warp like the chewing gum used by Amal, they can only be better.

Can't see it. Firstly, Burlen Fuel Systems is the AMAL licencee; why would they sub-licence someone else to produce a "better" carb.? Secondly, Wassell is a sourcer of (probably low-wage-economy-made) pattern components; e.g. to bamboozle the average Brit. biker that their pattern of the Lucas RM23 is somehow 'better', they resort to making misleading claims.

Given that Burlen have recently introduced a "better" version of the 900-series Mk.1 Concentric, including a new body casting, what're the odds that the Wassell is the 'old' version?

Hth.

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#433482 - 05/05/12 5:58 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: leon bee]  
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So if I understand you two well, you are saying:
The original AMAL casts are cr@p and the Wassels are even worse?


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#433484 - 05/05/12 6:32 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: Ger B]  
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Hi Ger,

Originally Posted By: Ger
So if I understand you two well, you are saying:
The original Amal casts are cr@p and the Wassels are even worse?

No.

Compared to, say, a Mikuni slide carb, original Amals are not made of as good materials as they could be.

Ime, this means original Amals are sufficiently worn that it affects accurate mixture control inside 20,000 miles. If you do 20,000 mile a year, this is a pita; otoh, if you do 2,000 miles a year, it probably isn't. As yet, while I've encounted warped AMAL bodies, in 35 years of Britbike ownership, I haven't managed to warp one myself.

The problem I have with Wassell stuff is the quality can, at best, be described as 'variable'. whistle On that basis, I'm not about to shell out for two or three of their AMAL copies when the quality of the Burlen AMAL stuff is more consistent.

Hth.

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#433517 - 05/05/12 11:34 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: leon bee]  
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I'll look forward to hearing from someone who buys one. For myself, I plead innocent on the cheapskate charge. I'm thinkin I've now probably put 20 English bikes back on the road in the last 10 or 11 years. You know that ain't cheap...........I like learning about new stuff available.

#433526 - 05/06/12 1:22 am Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: leon bee]  
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Well for better or worse I bought a pair for my triumph. The castings look good, parts interchange and @$130 each a bit cheaper than the others.

#433527 - 05/06/12 1:33 am Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: Pete Suchawreck]  
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Well Pete, keep us updated on how you find them. Given that I was supplied a set of Wassell needle jets (because I didnt check before I walked out of the shop) and they were so lean I felt compelled to return them. Not just becaus the ones that were in there were worn either. A set of replacement AMAL jets were just fine.

Comments of others about Wassell above are on the money.

Very interested to hear your experience.

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#433790 - 05/07/12 7:57 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: leon bee]  
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Wassell: The "J.C. Whitney" of motorcycle parts.
(You fellow old-timer U.S.A guys will know what is meant by this.)

#433904 - 05/08/12 12:53 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: ]  
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Originally Posted By: Allan Gill
and the over priced rubbish I have bought from Wassel, combining both together doesn't sound like a good combination to me.

The new AMAL parts are great and as a company are very good and helpful to deal with. So why be a cheapskate and buy the Wassel version ?


Overpriced?
Can i ask if you are in the trade? The reason is that many often get confused between TJ Wassell, who is the retailer/manufacturer from Staffordshire (and son of the original Ted Wassell), and the wholesaler Wassell, who are through buy-outs over the years the original W.E. Wassell. They are quite different. The public can't buy from Wassell, but can from TJ (Tim) Wassell.
When i see any post throwing mud at 'Wassell' i always wonder which one they mean.

By posting that you bought 'overpriced rubbish from Wassell' i can only assume you mean TJ Wassell as he is a retailer. The Wassell who make the Concentric carb is the wholesaler, who make the Wassell Ignition kit.
I haven't seen the Carbs yet, but the Ignition Kit is better than most on the market.

#433974 - 05/08/12 8:31 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: ]  
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well heres my two peneth ive read on another site that the wassal carbs are made in china as are the amals

#433979 - 05/08/12 8:45 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: kevin large]  
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Originally Posted By: kevin large
well heres my two peneth ive read on another site that the wassal carbs are made in china as are the amals


I would think that if they are made in China, regulations would dictate that they be marked accordingly. I wonder if a country of origin appears anywhere on the Wassells ?

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#433994 - 05/08/12 9:52 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: leon bee]  
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There are no rules that state products have to be marked with the country of origin in the UK. If it marked made in England, and it isn't, than that's another story. This is an area that has been, and continues to be, abused by UK parts sources both small and large.

All this gets iffy when castings are imported, but the final machining and assembly is in the UK.

US Customs had a great opportunity to send a very strong message to UK suppliers, but failed miserably when they settled a case against a UK supplier by allowing the findings, and fine amount, to be sealed.

This allowed the party involved to make light of US Customs with other UK vendors. The other UK vendors new what he was up to, but thought he had gotten away with it so why should they worry! I find figuring out the country of origin worse now than before US Customs got involved. This vendor got the message thou, and all of his invoices have the country of origin of each part on them. They aren't going through that hassle again!

As an importer I struggle with this every day as I have to make sure all of the parts are marked with country of origin... was it made in the UK or did it just visit the UK for a month or so?


#434025 - 05/09/12 1:17 am Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: John Healy]  
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So far the carbs look nice but one leaks as in the float needle is not sealing causing the carb to constantly overflow. Took it apart once, cleaned and blew out, still leaks. The joint on the fuel banjo leaks at the top too but I was able to seal it.
I consider a 50% price difference to be a big deal. Hadn't read anything negative or otherwise about them but I'm a noobie.

#434076 - 05/09/12 11:39 am Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: ]  
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I could have got Keihen carbs setup for a Triumph for less than Amals. Hopefully I'll sort these out with the help of the Canadian supplier.

#434078 - 05/09/12 11:52 am Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: leon bee]  
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Morn'n Pete,whatever you have heard about AMAL carbs,you can forget.The new "Premier"carbs from AMAL are a whole different anamal. Burlen Co. has taken over and re-engineered these carbs and they really work well. I have a couple of them on a rather difficult application and they made all the difference in the world.Check them out. Dick

#434107 - 05/09/12 3:30 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: leon bee]  
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When did Burlen take over and is there markings on the box/carbs to indicate they are premier?

#434111 - 05/09/12 3:45 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: Shades34]  
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i think the burlen amals are the same thing but they drill out the original air drilling and put in a removable jet and they hard anodise the slide

#434114 - 05/09/12 3:58 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: kevin large]  
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Originally Posted By: kevin large
i think the burlen amals are the same thing but they drill out the original air drilling and put in a removable jet and they hard anodise the slide


I've brought in a number of the replacement hard anodized slides from AMAL in the UK, and they are quite different than the stock slides found in Concentrics.

They also used to make hard chromed slides, but have discontinued them in favor of the hard anodized ones.

.. Gregg


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#434120 - 05/09/12 4:03 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: leon bee]  
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You can see the Premier carb here;

http://www.amalcarb.co.uk/News.aspx?id=54

#434151 - 05/09/12 7:35 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: ]  
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Originally Posted By: Allan Gill
They haven't discontinued them Greg, I bought some of their last "decorative chrome" brass slides,
<SNIP>


Oh, I see. I bought several sets of the HA slides last year directly from AMAL, and while my first choice was the hard chrome (HC) slides, they told me those are no longer made ... though I suppose that does not preclude their re-introducing them later with a different plating. (Seems amazing they bothered with decorative chrome for their first efforts ...)

Still, hard chrome has been a standard surface treatment for decades, so I wonder what their problem is, in finding a suitable vendor.

..Gregg

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#434160 - 05/09/12 8:37 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: leon bee]  
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Hi all,I think that the anodized slides should be easier on the carb body than the chromed variety,further more,it appears to me that the body is made from a more substantial material than the original. Maybe Phil Beresford could elucidate a bit more on these "Premier"carbs?? Dick

#434213 - 05/10/12 1:29 am Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: leon bee]  
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I've been wondering about the price of that premier carb. Tried to put one in my Burlen shopping basket just to see, couldn't do it.

#434276 - 05/10/12 2:59 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: leon bee]  
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Originally Posted By: leon bee
I've been wondering about the price of that premier carb. Tried to put one in my Burlen shopping basket just to see, couldn't do it.


Burlen sells the Premier mk1 (900 series) for 109.99 pound sterling (ex VAT)


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#434290 - 05/10/12 4:03 pm Re: New Wassell Concentric Carbs? [Re: Peter R]  
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Originally Posted By: Peter R
Burlen sells the Premier mk1 (900 series) for 109.99 pound sterling (ex VAT)


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