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Kick start keeps jamming #429808
04/15/12 1:09 pm
04/15/12 1:09 pm
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About every 5 or so kicks on my A65, the teeth on the kick start spindle doesn't mesh quite right with the pinion on the mainshaft and everything gets all jammed up. Seems to be the last tooth on the spindle because it won't jam if I don't let it return all the way, but that is almost impossible to regulate unless I'm really thinking hard about it.

I have had it apart and couldn't really see anything wrong with it. This bike is a bitsa, so I'm wondering if the spindle and pinion are slightly different for different years and maybe I have a pair that doesn't like each other? Or is there something else that could be somehow catching up and I'm just missing it? The motor is a '68.


Last edited by TheInvisibleCity; 04/15/12 1:11 pm.

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Re: Kick start keeps jamming [Re: TheInvisibleCity] #429820
04/15/12 3:01 pm
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This not uncommon on these 40+ yr old bikes, in my opinion anyway. I have experimented with "fixes", which is a pain, because you have to assemble/dis-assemble to see if that works each time..... Anyhow, AND I WILL NOT PROMISE IT'S THE ANSWER, I did have some luck just grinding off the 1st tooth on the kicker shaft. It seems like that one gets flattened, and is the start of the jamming. The gear teeth on the trans get flat too, so try to find a better one if possible. My $.02.... KC


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Re: Kick start keeps jamming [Re: KC in S.B.] #429899
04/15/12 9:05 pm
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Originally Posted by KC in S.B.
I did have some luck just grinding off the 1st tooth on the kicker shaft. KC

Oh, you mean make the thing like a Triumph kicker quadrant? What an idea!
The same thing happens with mine, just a part of the BSA, "charm."


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Re: Kick start keeps jamming [Re: TheInvisibleCity] #430134
04/16/12 10:39 pm
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This has pretty much been an issue with A65s from day one. Ive heard all sorts of theories including it was a tooling problem that never got addressed and the gear center geometry didnt match up properly (wouldnt surprise me that much)

My personal opinion is that the gear modual (or what ever the technical term is Ive forgotten) is not sufficently course to prevent the crests of the teeth interfeering in some positions ie the crests lock rather than mesh properly.

Dont know the soulution apart from constant new bits ....Ive tried relieving the first tooth or 2 on the quadrant ...didnt make any diffrence,....its always been an issue .....the pre unit kick starts are much heavier and never seem to give a problem....just BSA cost cutting probably.

Im surprised there havent been more comments and theories on this topic


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Re: Kick start keeps jamming [Re: Ignoramus] #430157
04/17/12 1:09 am
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the kicker on my A65 has never jammed...the one on my T120V takes 'spells' and sometimes will do it frequently but has not done so for the last couple of months ...when it does, i just cuss, put it in gear and rock the bike, and then it is free.....in other words, live with it.


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Re: Kick start keeps jamming [Re: TheInvisibleCity] #430161
04/17/12 1:26 am
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This MIGHT be worth looking into... Coupla things: 1. You said it doesn't jam if you let it return all the way - weak return spring?

2. There's supposed to be a stop threaded into the inner timing cover; I've seen them missing altogether. Oh yeah, the kickstart quadrant still stops, by jamming against the timing cover!

I've had 'em jam and not jam. When they jammed, something wasn't right. Take another look.




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Re: Kick start keeps jamming [Re: TheInvisibleCity] #430167
04/17/12 2:24 am
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Just from my observations, I would agree with Ignoramus. Mine's always done that and I just pull in the clutch lever and tap on the kickstart lightly with my foot until it frees up.


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Re: Kick start keeps jamming [Re: TheInvisibleCity] #430199
04/17/12 10:30 am
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IME "you get that with them Sir" its not helped by wear.


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