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kick start frigged up my knee #412421
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i know this is not a medical forum but i was kicking one of the bikes the other day to free up the clutch plates and they let go all at once and the kicker went down in a flash and my knee hyperextended or something like that and now it hurts like mad and kicking a bike makes a shooting pain and i am hobbling around...i bet this has happened to some of ya'll so any suggestions to stop the pain and or fix the knee short of a trip to the orthopedic surgeon?


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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #412426
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I had the same problem last summer. I have a buddy who is new to Triumph's and he was having a problem starting his 65 T120 one night at the local pub. I offered to help and ended up in a knee brace for a month when the thing locked up. The good news is that the brace fixed the problem and all is well now. The doc thought that it might be a torn tendon. I doubt that was the case, but it sure did hurt for a while. I suggest that you try one of those doc in the box places and get an estimate.

Good luck,

Doc


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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: Doc_dup1] #412443
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RAF: I crawl through boilers, precipts and dust collection systems and climbed columns before it was banned, My knees were so bad that I had to lean side to side as I walked just to keep the joints lined up straight up and down. I got it alot better by using volleyball knee pads with the backs cut a bit to reduce binding. Taking SHARK CARTILIDGE from GNC stores also played a big part in healing up what I had already damaged. I started with the 3 pills a day that is recommended. after the first bottle or so I could feel it getting better. Once I was set, I cut it back to 1 pill a day. At times it felt so good that I would forget to take any for a week or so, then the pain would start back. Back to 1 pill a day. After a couple of years the joints seem to be better and I only use about a bottle a year just to keep up, but I always wear the knee pads under my bibs. Some of the other people in my trade use glucosamine with similar results, but the shark worked for me. All of the other pads that I used would collapses and have flat spots, the hard faced ones were just too hard to work in for 10 hrs a day. Good luck frank coleman

Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #412488
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I've done the same thing. Old CH sportster to blame. Takes time to heal. I was starting the bikes with my left leg for awhile. Glucosamine would probably help.

Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: Mike Baker] #412492
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Add me to the CH list. Interesting technique to get them started. Kinda climb up on them, putting your left knee on the seat, get the piston in the right position and come down with your full body weight. God help you if and when the ratchet let go. cry
Took awhile to heal as I recall. Didn't see a Dr. in them days. Just stuck it out.

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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #412496
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raf, Sit on bike. Rock bike back and forth to unstick plates. Start bike.

Alternatively, fit the Norman Hyde (Late Triumph) style narrowed friction area 7 plate Surflex clutch.

One never knew when the three balls that are used in an Indian kick starter would defy gravity! Ask my right knee...


Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #412502
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Ditto on the Sportster knee for me too. Did it when I was 21 years old, and I feel it now more than when I did it. Maybe some of that shark cartilage might be the trick? Tried glucosomine but not so much help.


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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #412514
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Raf, I hope your knee heals quickly. It hurt just to read your story. I have occasional knee pain from years of being an equipment mechanic. Excessive kick starting will cause it to flare up. I use one of those black rubbery wraps with the velcro closures. It provides some support and allows it to heal better. Al.


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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #412541
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First things first , I'd start with getting that Triumph in proper tune , when they are "right" they can be some seriously easy starting machines .Personally , I have some seriously wrecked knees and if I were tasked with kickstarting an ironhead sporty or a big brit single I'd be tempted to wear the don joy brace as it will not allow the knee to hyperextend .What I do to keep the knees working properly is to ride a bicycle and spend some time at the swimming pool when possible.I have had the entire maniscus removed from one knee and it is held together with sucrose pins and a cadaver graft for the ACL. I find that babying the knees is the worst thing for them , the more active I stay the better they feel.

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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #412546
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I did exactly the same thing and it hurt for about 4 days then went away. Nothing serious wrong I guess but I was worried. If it gets worse or doesnt get better then go to the doctors. That what I would do anyway. Could be why I never go to doctors. I hit a deer and broke my elbow and waited 12 hours before I went to the hospital. I do go sometimes as you see. laughing


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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: wadeschields] #412550
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Bonzo - This is exactly why I went for a "girlie bike" with an electric pedal, although I might stick a regular kick start on there for if & when the battery decides to die. laugh
Hang in there raf, you'll heal. Just hobble around Gently. :bigt


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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #412560
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Wacked mine many years ago with the BSA Hornet. Take time, beer, vicodan, beer and more time to heal. I had a 76 OIF that did that. I started it, rolled down hill in nuetral with the clutch in and then pulled it up to second. Drove the bike for about 30 feet in second with the clutch still in, and then it would break loose. I finally swapped out the plates and problem solved.




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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #412566
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Skeet , I feel ya BRO !!My job requires me to climb many latters and crawl many elevated walkways ....when I go more than a week without the bicycle my knees lock up ..Vicodin is BS, that stuff makes me nauseous


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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #412589
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RAF.. I feel your pain.. I messed my right knee up last Saturday morning, and at this point is in very bad shape, one thing that has helped me so far was buying a Mueller adjustable knee support at Wal mart for 11 bucks, and icing down the area as well. For me, it will be some time before I am kicking anything... including tires!

Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: BONZO R.I.P.] #412614
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Originally Posted by BONZO
First things first , I'd start with getting that Triumph in proper tune , when they are "right" they can be some seriously easy starting machines .Personally , I have some seriously wrecked knees and if I were tasked with kickstarting an ironhead sporty or a big brit single I'd be tempted to wear the don joy brace as it will not allow the knee to hyperextend .What I do to keep the knees working properly is to ride a bicycle and spend some time at the swimming pool when possible.I have had the entire maniscus removed from one knee and it is held together with sucrose pins and a cadaver graft for the ACL. I find that babying the knees is the worst thing for them , the more active I stay the better they feel.

FWIW-BONZO


best thing for knee health is quad strength, so Bonzo, i find it no wonder your knee feels better if you keep it strong. sounds like your plan of bicycling + swimming is a good one. my old tore up shoulders also feel better if i keep 'em strong.

Glucosamine only helps in the long run, many folks don't take it long enough to have it take hold, and the effects are more subtle anyway. if you take it religiously over the long haul it does much more good. it is not an end-all treatment but combined with exercise can help to more *lubricate* the joints than alleviate pain.

RAF, hope you heal well- about the only thing you can do is probably stay off the leg for a while (yeah right?), then ease back in with a series of bicycling and maybe some squats or something to build quad (and general leg) strength.

my knees aren't what they once were, i had the right one get tore up in a bike crash, and mysteriously wrecked the left knee- working i think- tho there was no big *ouch* moment. i suspect super heavy Cirque Du Soleil pieces from a couple years back- a 53' tractor trailer held two pieces and we had to roll 'em into an arena.

good luck!

Tom


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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #412958
01/11/12 6:32 pm
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Instead of taking pills like Ibuprofen or Celebrex, try a topical like Voltaren. It avoids the systemic complications (ulcers and heart attacks) since it bypasses the digestive system.
Voltaren is relatively new and otherwise known as diclofenac sodium topical gel 1%. The max dosage is 32mg/day but I suspect you'll get by with less.
It is in the drug class known as non-steroidal anti-inflammatory(NSAID)which was developed in order to reduce the complications of steroid use.
You'll need a prescription for it.
I use it on my arthritis. It works pretty good, I think.
Bill

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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: HawaiianTiger] #412977
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well it was feeling better but yesterday the rear master cylinder for the brakes on the T140 i am working on came and i ended up scooting around on the ground and up and down several times to get wrenches putting it on and by the time i was done the joint was throbbing again....my knee that is.....so....i am smearing on some stuff called Myoflex and wrapping it with ace bandage and it is somewhat better today....it occured to me that this is the same knee that was torn asunder when i was 16 years old and t-boned a dump truck that turned in front of me whilst i was riding my yamaha 250 catalina back in 1968....thanks for all the ideas fellers...


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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #413017
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Actually broke my right shin doing that. Knee cap put too much pressure on the bone! 6 weeks in an old style palster ankle to thigh cast, then another 4 weeks of physio. Could still kick start my triumph this August, 34 yeares after the event. You will heal!


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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #413034
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Put me down as another believer in Glucosamine Chondroitin. It won't do a thing for your pain or swelling, but it will give your body the stuff it needs to rebuild the joint.
If it is throbbing so much I can't sleep, I use the vocodin or hydrocodone. But if it is just pain and swelling, Motrin is my friend.
It's funny how we all have a stash of pain meds.
raf940; get one of those motorcycle tables from Harbor Freight. You are too old to be working on the floor!


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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #413035
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Can I get me a "Norman Hyde (Late Triumph) style narrowed friction area 7 plate Surflex clutch" for my '71 TR6C?
The clutch plates that I have are brand new and they suck.


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Re: kick start frigged up my knee [Re: raf940] #413107
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