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1951 Triumph Thunderbird #405310
11/24/11 12:17 am
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Hi Everyone.

Just joined the forum as I have the opportunity to buy a 1951 Thunderbird. This is my first older bike purchase and I have no idea what to look for and there does not seem to be a lot of these bikes for sale so I cannot work out if the price is fair.

The bike is all original (other than exhaust),complete, runs but can do with a resto. It comes with a fair few spares (have not gone through all spares yet mainly cables and some engine parts)

Hopefully someone can help with a price so I can either buy or keep looking.

Thanks

Darren

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Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: DarrenD] #405317
11/24/11 1:22 am
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Gidday Darren,

Nice to see another Aussie on the forum.

I don't know much about price for the '51 mate, there has been some incredible asking prices for restored Trumpies of late. I don't suppose you have a pic by chance? A running '51 in original nick sure would be a nice acquisition though!


Regards

Grant
Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: DarrenD] #405345
11/24/11 7:56 am
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Some would say a restoration might spoil and devalue a running 1951 6T.


Amateur Loctite enthusiast.
Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: triton thrasher] #405347
11/24/11 8:30 am
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Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: DarrenD] #405363
11/24/11 10:56 am
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Gday Daz, Its a bit of a bitsa, but it looks pretty good. The nacelle is of a slightly later model with a bigger headlight. Thats a good thing.
The head is a iron T110 item, thats a real good thing.
The sprung hub is the Mk 1 version, do some research on this site. Ive no experience with sprung hubs, saddle seats are great.
Can you take pics of the gearbox, side on and low. This will tell the difference between early and late gearboxes.
I still run the early rigid 'box on my road outfit for over 15 years with no probs. Gear changes are a bit slow but other wise fine.
There are plenty of folks in Melb that can help, without going to a "shop".
Whats the asking price?

Cheers, Chris.


1950 Speed Twin outfit
1951 Thunderbird outfit (76 degree racebike, or is it 90 deg now?)
1955 BSA D3 minibike outfit
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Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: triton thrasher] #405364
11/24/11 11:04 am
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Not a restoration in this case, but a good start for a period machine running a T110.


1950 Speed Twin outfit
1951 Thunderbird outfit (76 degree racebike, or is it 90 deg now?)
1955 BSA D3 minibike outfit
Triumph solo's
Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: DarrenD] #405365
11/24/11 11:53 am
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There are plenty of folks in Melb that can help, without going to a "shop".

Chris speaks wizely, if you buy it hook up with a few locals and work your way through any problems.

Local retail mechanics vary between the extremely ordinary and thieves.


1969 TR6R
7.62 x 51 is not a maths puzzle.
Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: DarrenD] #405366
11/24/11 12:09 pm
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Way cool! Looks like a sweet ride!


Regards

Grant
Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: DarrenD] #405376
11/24/11 2:39 pm
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I don't know about Australian dollars but in the U.S. I believe that machine could sell for $4,500 - $5,500 if the engine and frame numbers match. This is based on it also being in running condition.


Jon W.


1957 6T Thunderbird 650
1968 T100R Daytona 500
1971 TR6R Tiger 650
1970 BSA A65F 650
1955 Tiger 100 - Project

Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: Jon W. Whitley] #405453
11/24/11 10:48 pm
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Thanks for the replies so far. As I said I know nothing about these bikes but i love the look. I best do some research and find out what I am getting myself into.

I am meeting the guy again next Tuesday and I will find out what parts come with it. I will get some more photos and check the engine and frame numbers. Where are these located? (Please dont say on the engine and on the frame)

Asking Price?? The current owner is a client and I am doing some work for him and he is giving me the bike in return. I guess if I was to charge him for the work it would be around $4,000.

Thanks

Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: DarrenD] #405470
11/25/11 1:05 am
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Yeah bloke I agree, go for it.


Regards

Grant
Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: DarrenD] #405476
11/25/11 2:18 am
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At that price,it's good value.
The weakest part of an early T'bird would be the small journal crank and rods.They can break if thrashed,or after they've been thrashed.It may already have a later crank fitted.
Anything else is easy and cheap enough to deal with,and not so dramatic if it fails.

Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: DarrenD] #405638
11/26/11 1:56 am
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Nice one. Keep us posted if and when you get it. A good sorting and ride her the way she is. Love that bike! (great value too)

matt


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Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: Matt smith] #405783
11/27/11 2:15 am
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Hi again. Spoke to the owner of the bike again yesterday and I will be picking it up on Tuesday. The deal is done.

Can someone point me in the right direction in regards to information on this bike. Parts manuals and just general information would be great. As I said in my first post I know nothing about this bike and need as much information as possible. I am in the process of restoring a 1966 and 1969 Mustang so have the patience and time required just no knowledge.

Thanks in advance for any information.

Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: DarrenD] #405794
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http://www.classicbike.biz/Triumph/Repair/Repair.htm

you'll find a pdf of the repair manual on this site. You may need to buy a copy of the parts manual on eBay, but it'll be worth the 20 bucks as it's the only way you'll be able to order parts through any of the online sources assuming you need anything other than tires, cables or cosmetic stuff. keep us posted with pictures.

matt


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“I don’t mind the Ten Commandments, I believe in the Ten Commandments. The first one, ‘I am the Lord thy God,’ is a great commandment—if it’s not said by the wrong people.”

—Bob Dylan, introducing the song “Masters of War” at New York City Town Hall, 12 April 1963.
Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: Matt smith] #405901
11/27/11 7:15 pm
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Nice machine - all the bits are there (apparently!) which is always a good start!
I bought Kim the CD Man's Triumph DVD - has workshop manuals, parts lists - more than you'll ever need. Might be a bit of overkill, but he is in Oz. Not sure what the price is locally for you.....


........now where the heck did that bolt come from?
Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: Slaapstad] #406202
11/29/11 9:16 am
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Hi

Here are the photos of the gearbox

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/1969cjet/f51719c8.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/1969cjet/2e10cf50.jpg

Spare parts that come with the bike are

Head
Gasket Kit
Barrels (???)
Carby (He has two. Which is the correct one?? One is an AMAL and I cannot remember the other)
A few other bits and pieces
Thanks

Darren

Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: DarrenD] #406251
11/29/11 5:28 pm
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Jim:

People are not supposed to post copyright material on this site without the author's written permission. All of the PDF's listed on this site are taken directly from Kim the CD Man's Triumph CD, as such we had to remove your post. If you think I was wrong for doing this please contact Morgan for clarification as his decision is final.

I know we are supposed to freely share information, but there are limits.

John Healy


Re: 1951 Triumph Thunderbird [Re: John Healy] #406276
11/29/11 7:39 pm
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Hi.

I have contacted Kim the CD man and have ordered the CD. Hope this has not caused any grief for anyone.

Thanks

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