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#402574 - 11/08/11 12:42 am Norton Commando head steady
Jim H Offline
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"Norton Head Steadies" What are the pros or cons of installing one? Do they help eliminate or increase vibrations? The two rubber bungs on the pre MK3 appear to be a little wimpy and do little to stabilize the top of the motor. The Dave Taylor unit with the adjustable spring looks impressive, certainly looks like it might be an improvement over the 2 rubber muffler mount bungs. I would love some feedback positive or negative. I have installed Vernier adjustable front and rear isolastic units on my 74 Norton Commando and thought maybe I should look into a head steady.

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#402648 - 11/08/11 9:37 am Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Jim H]
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I suggest you go to the accessnorton website forum and search "headsteady" or "head stady" as that will bring up literally hundreds of results which will give you plenty of information.

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#402693 - 11/08/11 4:30 pm Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Jim H]
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The taylor unit is in the "better" range of available units. A good value.

I recommend a front steady as well, there are bolt-on units available.

The ultimate setup also incorporates a rear/lower rod joint unit. What this does is limit ALL of the three iso units range of motion to strictly fore/aft - up/down, and eliminates ALL side-to-side play.

The top steady is just the first (albeit very significant) step in addressing the isolastic system's allowance of the swingarm to have "free range" out back.
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#402695 - 11/08/11 3:35 pm Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: GrandPaul]
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Musings / ramblings...

I'd love to see a massive fixed jig with a Commando solidly bolted in place by the frame, with a video made of the rear wheel being forced through the entire range of motion of the standard isolastic system.

That must be an impressive figure-of-eight!

On a related note, the swingarm spindle root tube welded into the transmission cradle can typically become wallowed out, allowing significant undesireable swingarm play. The late Heinz Kegler designed a simple set of drill and bolt-on clamps that cure this issue once and for all time on a typical Commando. They are still being made and are highly recommended (new swingarm bushings DO NOT address this issue).


Edited by GrandPaul (11/08/11 3:36 pm)
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#403115 - 11/10/11 8:39 pm Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Jim H]
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I've been using the dave taylor model for 3-4 years. I'm quite happy with it.

I have used Norvil isolastic unit I'll sell for cheap.
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#403243 - 11/11/11 12:11 pm Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Jim H]
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Another vote for the Dave T headsteady. After having used a Norvil steady for many years, I noticed a significant improvement in handling after I fitted the Dave T headsteady.

The Dave T headsteady may need some re-work when fitted to one of the Italian made (read Metric) frames.
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#403291 - 11/11/11 3:11 pm Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Peter R]
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Originally Posted By: Peter R
<SNIP>

The Dave T headsteady may need some re-work when fitted to one of the Italian made (read Metric) frames.


True. I fitted a Dave T steady recently to a 1973 Commando, and found the frame clamp to be too loose. Milling about 0.010" off each face of the clamp allowed it to grip the tube properly.

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#416868 - 02/04/12 5:32 am Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: gREgg-K]
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How much increase was there in the vibration?
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#416950 - 02/04/12 5:36 pm Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Jim H]
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my experience with rod end type steadies on two different bikes was that there is not much difference. unless you're running the corners way to hard to be legal you won't notice any improvement.

The best thing to improve handling on a pre mk3 is fit a set of Windy's swingarm collars.
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#417457 - 02/07/12 5:43 pm Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Jim H]
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Amen to the swing arm collars. I would not run without them.
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#417476 - 02/07/12 8:02 pm Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Jim H]
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Hi All
What are swing-arm collars? are these anything like gussets?
I don't think I've ever heard of them.
Can anyone direct me to a link with info?
TIA
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#417494 - 02/07/12 11:12 pm Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Jim H]
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tech term I believe is "split shaft collar". the common norton set up was made by Heinze Kegler, now deceased.

They are now made and are available thru Windy. (Bill50cal)

They mount on the swingarm, a hole is drilled thru the swingarm tube and a bolt is inserted that bears on the s/a spindle and takes up the slack.

On the typical Commando, not all the left to right movement of the rear wheel is due to the isos, some is the play in the swingarm, and in my opinion this is most of the vague feeling you get in corners.

The MK3 has a modified swingarm with cotters to take up the slack.

Hey Bob, you need a pair of these too!
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#417501 - 02/07/12 11:27 pm Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Dennis B]
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Originally Posted By: Dennis B
What are swing-arm collars? are these anything like gussets?
I don't think I've ever heard of them.
Can anyone direct me to a link with info?


http://www.nortonfastback.com/html/mods.html

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#417514 - 02/08/12 12:27 am Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: L.A.B.]
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I run with the DT headsteady AND the Kegler swingarm fix (installed by Windy / bill50cal)...transformed my bike.


Edited by cmessenk (02/08/12 12:27 am)
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#417523 - 02/08/12 1:08 am Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Jim H]
Dennis B Offline
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Thanks Rich, L.A.B. & Chip
the link was very helpful, I do have the two nuts welded setup
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#417566 - 02/08/12 10:07 am Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Dennis B]
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The two welded nuts will work fine, no need to replace these for the collars.
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#417597 - 02/08/12 2:59 pm Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Richrd]
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Originally Posted By: Richrd
tech term I believe is "split shaft collar"... They mount on the swingarm, a hole is drilled thru the swingarm tube and a bolt is inserted that bears on the s/a spindle and takes up the slack.


I believe you mean they mount on the tranny cradle spindle tube...


Edited by GrandPaul (02/08/12 3:00 pm)
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#417695 - 02/09/12 2:18 am Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Richrd]
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I sure do need these. I had the mag base and long travel indicator set up today evaluating what I have. Binned the indicator in favor of the tape measure. Richrd, are the replacement iso parts any better from brand or another? I assume I want the MKIII style threaded adjust kit?

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#417728 - 02/09/12 1:05 pm Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Jim H]
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bob, email at ya
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#419511 - 02/19/12 6:41 am Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Peter R]
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Originally Posted By: Peter R
The two welded nuts will work fine, no need to replace these for the collars.


If you have a welder...

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#421939 - 03/02/12 12:21 am Re: Norton Commando head steady [Re: Jim H]
Paul Sammut Offline
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In answer to the Taylor head-steady question - I guess I will differ from others. I found that it increased vibration too much and I reverted to the original set-up and am much happier.

Paul.
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