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R.I.P. Steve Jobs #397620
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Found out about this from my 13 year-old last night. He would always read articles about Steve in the paper and magazines.

Perhaps it's because they were both adopted. Perhaps it's because the kid LOVES anything Apple. Or perhaps it's just some combination of the two.

He (Steve) was only six years older than me. Six years ago at a commencement address at Stanford, he said the following:

"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."

Even at the advanced(!) age of fifty, I find it a daily challenge to live in this fashion. Reminds me of a similar quote; certainly in the same vein, but much simpler and concise:

"To thine ownself be true."

Thanks for reminding me Steve Jobs.

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Re: R.I.P. Steve Jobs [Re: JubeePrince] #397744
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3 cheers AND a hip-hip-hooray for Steve Jobs-
a great American innovator.

listening to an NPR special on him this evening. perhaps one of the more forward-thinking individuals of our time, he's touched pretty much anyone who uses computers for sure and then of course there's the iPhone, the MAC computers, iPad, iPod... it really does go on & on. can't recall anyone else whose death had quite the impact across the board. LOTS of folks talking about this one.

R.I.P.

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I remember back in 1985 a friend of mine proclaimed, "Hey, I just bought a MacIntosh!"
First words from my lips were, "How many watts per channel?"

Where will Microsloth steal their ideas now?


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Re: R.I.P. Steve Jobs [Re: DavidP] #397761
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Thanks for the iPod Steve, don't need to carry cassettes or CDs around anymore.

Nice one, mate.

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Re: R.I.P. Steve Jobs [Re: JubeePrince] #397835
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He has touched just about everyone's lives. The world will not be the same without him. Truly amazing person. RIP.




Who are the brain police?



Re: R.I.P. Steve Jobs [Re: DavidP] #397855
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Originally Posted By: DavidP
I remember back in 1985 a friend of mine proclaimed, "Hey, I just bought a MacIntosh!"
First words from my lips were, "How many watts per channel?"

Where will Microsloth steal their ideas now?


yeah right?


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Re: R.I.P. Steve Jobs [Re: JubeePrince] #397879
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Hmmm....I dunno.....

Perhaps early on (late 70's to mid 80's) MS and Apple were in direct competition with each other for market share. They were both selling beige boxes with floppy drives.

Once Jobs came back to Apple after he sold Pixar, he began to market form and function devices. Not only were they beautiful to look at but they functioned well.

With the advent of the multi-hued iMac and the iPod, Jobs got ahead of the curve and remained there. I've heard him described as a 're-inventor' which seems a fairly apt description. He took things and ideas that were already in the marketplace (and some that were not) and perfected them.

As for stealing, while it's mostly a myth, Apple, when developing the original Macintosh, "stole" the GUI and mouse platform from Xerox. Jobs got Apple engineers into the Xerox PARC facility to do 'research'(translation: steal). In exchange, Jobs and Wozniak offered Xerox the option to buy 10,000 pre-IPO shares of Apple stock at 10.00/share. Xerox could have been at the forefront of the PC revolution with the GUI and mouse they had, but opted for the stock options....

You could argue that for what Apple paid Xerox they DID steal it!!!

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Re: R.I.P. Steve Jobs [Re: JubeePrince] #397886
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It has always amazed me that people worship Jobs and vilify Gates. When, in reality, it was Gates who made the PC affordable and started the real home computer revolution.

Jobs was greedy beyond belief and would have priced PC's well outside the normal budget, had not Gates forced the issue with an admittedly inferior machine.

In the end, we probably needed them both to get where we are today, and his creativity will certainly be missed.

Re: R.I.P. Steve Jobs [Re: JubeePrince] #397895
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despite it all Steve Jobs became that great innovator,
who was reinventing the wheel, and it wasn't just some quirk.

breaking that old mainstay keyboard style, the traditional QUERTY keypad, with the iPhone keypad, and the iPad.

he revolutionized music sharing with iTunes & the iPod,

and shifted the paradigm again with the iPhone and iPad keyboard format, which don't require a mouse to operate, it's all heat sensitive er... i mean CAPACITANCE SENSITIVE touch screens... thru actual glass screens.

yes, everyone copies somebody sometime. no matter how you slice it, Steve Jobs went one better (or two, or three) and shifted entire paradigms. not everyone can make the same claim.

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Re: R.I.P. Steve Jobs [Re: JubeePrince] #397983
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Well considering the core advertising Apple started with a warning like don't let things become 1984 ala Orwell Steve was probably quite bummed out. It was a hippy operation to start. Apple got it right but after they ditched Motorola chips in 90's and went PowerPC Jobs and Woz sort of left the dream and that bloated 1984 government he "warned" of was one of his biggest customers as of late. Iphoones, ipads all just gimmicks people THINK they need. The ultimate in advertising personified but useless to 80% of humans that don't even have power, a desk or clean water.
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Originally Posted By: 441/R3cafeSteve
Iphoones, ipads all just gimmicks people THINK they need. The ultimate in advertising personified but useless to 80% of humans that don't even have power, a desk or clean water.


I would call it consumerism personified.....

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Re: R.I.P. Steve Jobs [Re: JubeePrince] #398182
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Originally Posted By: JubeePrince
Originally Posted By: 441/R3cafeSteve
Iphoones, ipads all just gimmicks people THINK they need. The ultimate in advertising personified but useless to 80% of humans that don't even have power, a desk or clean water.


I would call it consumerism personified.....

Steve



and i would call it a convenience of living in a first-world country in modern times. and i don't feel guilty about any of the conveniences i choose to enjoy...
which include but are not limited to owning old motorcycles.

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Re: R.I.P. Steve Jobs [Re: JubeePrince] #398215
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Apple's touch screens aren't heat sensitive, they're capacitance sensitive. Bill Gates is vilified because he was born into a family of lawyers and stole, legally maneuvered, or as a last resort, bought anything that Microsoft ever made money on. Microsoft software is known for being bloated, insecure, unstable and just plain inferior to what Apple produced. What's to like there?


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Re: R.I.P. Steve Jobs [Re: ricochetrider] #398228
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Originally Posted By: ricochetrider
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Originally Posted By: 441/R3cafeSteve
Iphoones, ipads all just gimmicks people THINK they need. The ultimate in advertising personified but useless to 80% of humans that don't even have power, a desk or clean water.


I would call it consumerism personified.....

Steve



and i would call it a convenience of living in a first-world country in modern times. and i don't feel guilty about any of the conveniences i choose to enjoy...



Not so much of a "convenience" as "toys", in my view. I've gone as far as buying a computer, but all that "i-" stuff and cell phone stuff and GPS stuff is just wasted money to me.

Mind you, I've got NO problem whatsoever with people buying whatever kind of toys they like, be they country-club memberships, iPads, $1000-a-pint balsamic vinagrette, bass boats, Arlen Ness chrome billet, Blackberries, jet skis, old AJS motorcycles or whatever.

It's when people paying for any of these things along with the monthly charges they incur, start talking about how HARD life is these days, and what BAD SHAPE the "economy" is in, and how hard it is to MAKE IT under these almost Depression-like conditions, and how they don't make enough money to "GET BY".

My granddaddy would be appalled. laughing

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Quote:
Not so much of a "convenience" as "toys", in my view. I've gone as far as buying a computer, but all that "i-" stuff and cell phone stuff and GPS stuff is just wasted money to me.


So, if all this is such a waste of time why do we see you here?


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Originally Posted By: hh
Apple's touch screens aren't heat sensitive, they're capacitance sensitive. Bill Gates is vilified because he was born into a family of lawyers and stole, legally maneuvered, or as a last resort, bought anything that Microsoft ever made money on. Microsoft software is known for being bloated, insecure, unstable and just plain inferior to what Apple produced. What's to like there?


well for one thing the price is right on MS-based hardware for a semi-PC-literate schmuck such as myself who really only uses a PC or laptop to surf the web for purchases and tix (travel & otherwise), email, and photo storage + management. the geek-wanna-be in me says HECKEFFINYES! BUY IT!
but the common sense buyer in me ( laughing roll with me people) says OUCH. 1299.00 for a laptop SEEMS like such a shaft. the iPad2 seems like it's OK and would serve the same function for me as the laptop as a travel aid- but who needs another toy to tote about (or to collect dust)...
in truth i'd use it on the few times i might get on a plane, to watch movies or whatever... and not too often otherwise, as we have the big Dell PC and Laptop hooked up side by side in the office at home.

frankly, my iPhone has replaced my EEE PC netbook as THE device for just about everything, and YES i can watch movies on it, but the 16 gig storage is a bit limiting maybe, for such endeavors as use on a flight.

Thinking about a Garmin GPS, (Nuvi 1350 or 1450 LMT) recently... then again, you can now buy a Garmin Software app (49.00 +/-) for the iPhone.... which stores all maps/info IN THE PHONE so no reception needed! i use the provided Google Maps feature on the phone a LOT but it's hard to see while driving and that's the ONLY reason i'd upgrade to a dedicated GPS.

yes the Apple products Do rock- as i've been around them enough to know for sure. but i've never been able to justify them for home use, strictly on the cost.
tho i definitely love the iPhone, (which did NOT break the bank) for all its varied uses, not the least of which is the internet IN YOUR HAND.


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Originally Posted By: ricochetrider
yes the Apple products Do rock- as i've been around them enough to know for sure. but i've never been able to justify them for home use, strictly on the cost.


I'm right there with you Tom....I have an old Windows laptop that I re-formatted and run Linux on....I have another that runs Vista...when I'm not on those, I'm on my iPhone.

I would have to say that based on a cost-analysis, it just MIGHT be a wash. My experience:

Laptop purchased in Sep. '05 goes t*ts up in Aug. '07 (HDD crash)

Laptop purchased in Sep.'07 goes t*ts up in Nov. '09 (bad keyboard - I actually used a USB keyboard with it to keep it going for awhile)

Laptop purchased in Dec. '09 still in use today.

Approximate total of three purchases: $2,400.00

I often wonder what would have happened if I'd pulled the trigger on a Mac the first or second go-around....could have POSSIBLY saved myself some cash.

Caveat to the folks who think that perhaps I abuse my machines: I have two young boys that bang away on them too! laughing

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Re: R.I.P. Steve Jobs [Re: John Healy] #398251
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Originally Posted By: John Healy
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Not so much of a "convenience" as "toys", in my view. I've gone as far as buying a computer, but all that "i-" stuff and cell phone stuff and GPS stuff is just wasted money to me.


So, if all this is such a waste of time why do we see you here?


Sounds like a bit a of "Non Sequitur"? I didn't say anything remotely like "all this is a waste of time", as I think you'll see upon mature reflection upon what I wrote.

I already admitted to a computer, and I consider time on BritBike (within limits) as "not-a-waste-of-time", obviously.

I said that I consider iPads and iPhones and Blackberries and GPSs and all the other little "gotta-have" devices that are being discussed as "a waste of money". I don't own any, my family doesn't own any, and to be honest, I don't see where people come up with the money to pay for them.

If they've GOT the money, fine, you twiddle your Berrypod and I'll fiddle with my Matchless. It's the combination of "Times are So Hard" with "What Do You Think of the new iPhonePadPod?" that gets to me.

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If you want to run your business on a PC abandon the MS software and load Unix or Linux (the Mac operating system is Linux) as the operating system. Then purchase your business software that runs on Linux or Unix. You will also not have Microsoft in your pocket and no more Blue Screens of Death.

If you want a toy, a second career, and a headache, use the MS operating system. That is, unless you are a computer geek, love solving cryptic problems and want to hide all of this technology from the people. I have always seen MS saying, "we can do that!" after Steve brought it to market.

If you want a tool to do a job, and don't desire a second career as a computer geek, spend the money and get the Mac. This is no more true than when you work with digital images, music or are publishing. Though I must admit, since Adobe started writing Mac software it isn't any where as easy to use... slowly, the geeks are trying to take the Mac computer back.

Steve Jobs might not have invented the windows concept, but he understood its power. I suspect if the windows concept was left at IBM, it would have languished and the geeks would have eventually thrown it in the rubbish.

Steve, I was with you from the beginning, owned at least one of every computer you offered (we have 9 Imac's and portables as I write this), and I will deeply miss your vision!


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Well my point was that when Apple started or more like Macintosh started the sales pitch was freedom from the norm and nazi/soviet like government. A creative device that would unleash a new form of creative expression. LOL! Start with the alternative "rebel" crowd then advertise that "cool" factor to the folks that cannot even name the last 5 presidents let alone understand the constitution of their country.

Point is Macs today and since end of 90's are like calling BSA rifle scopes motorcycles. They are not consumers they are advertising victims,
Canucks are just as spaced out so not picking on US.
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I really don't now diddly about computers or operating systems in particular, but I've been in and out of the auto parts bussiness since 1977, and almost every place I worked was computerized. Three years ago we switched from an inhouse system that ran Linux to a system by Activant that runs Windows XP. It is the biggest slowest piece of CRAP I've ever had the misfortune to use. If the man who invented a better way is gone I'm truly sorry. I don't use a computer much at home cause I can do that here while I'm "working" but when its time to replace my 10 year old HP, it will not be with one that runs a Microsoft operating system.


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Of course, you COULD argue that Linux is a de facto Unix system! laughing

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If the man who invented a better way is gone I'm truly sorry.


He's not gone! grin



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The factory blues for those iphones

Steve Jobs sure knew about this stuff.
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