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#396305 - 09/26/11 11:13 pm What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons  
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We don't pull them by the tail do we?
I just got the NOS '69 R3 wiring loom and want to use some of the existing wires which are stock in headlight bucket.
Is it best to push them out of the conector unions if required? I don't wat to replace the fine red ground wires under speedo and tach for one!
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#396306 - 09/26/11 11:31 pm Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: 441/R3cafeSteve]  
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If the bullets are open on one end then yes, push them out from the other side with some round stock so not to distort the barrel. If you're plugged up on both ends a good pair of small needle nosers should supply adequate purchase on the connector itself. Think someone even makes a tool to put them together but I've never had any trouble landing them on the way in.

Don in Nipomo

#396316 - 09/27/11 12:12 am Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: 441/R3cafeSteve]  
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Now I just have to make sure the ends all have a place to go! I do know that wiring the stator to two wires in case (2 thin ones) will leave a blank on the licorice 3 wire union. Best I can describe the stator to loom connector.
Thanks Don, first time I have ever had a BSA wiring harness unused ready to go in my shed for one of my bikes.
LOL!
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#396320 - 09/27/11 12:47 am Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: 441/R3cafeSteve]  
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You only need a pair of pliers & a soldering iron to replace the bullets that pull off. Mostly, though, they will pull out of the lucar sleeve connectors unscathed if they were properly installed before. Cheers, Don.

#396321 - 09/27/11 12:56 am Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: Don M.]  
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Originally Posted By: Don M.
You only need a pair of pliers & a soldering iron to replace the bullets that pull off. Mostly, though, they will pull out of the lucar sleeve connectors unscathed if they were properly installed before. Cheers, Don.


So true Don, most of the factory bullets were done up right and will last for many decades if not abused.

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#396335 - 09/27/11 3:12 am Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: 441/R3cafeSteve]  
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Does anyone know where the zenor diode heat sink mounts on a 1967 BSA 441 victor? I looked under headlight bucket on yoke and cannot see the mount like on my 1969. Thanks, the headlight wires on R3 are intact but matching to the new loom may be a challenge. I am not sure all the pilot light feeds came on it as it only has 2. There is more than two indicator lights though.
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#396337 - 09/27/11 4:20 am Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: 441/R3cafeSteve]  
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There is a mount on the Roadster, but not on the VE/VS... since the ET was used, no Zener.

#396339 - 09/27/11 4:45 am Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: 441/R3cafeSteve]  
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Not on the VE but on the VS, most certainly.
You're just having a senior moment Steve...
I have several daily and I'm only 55.


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#396347 - 09/27/11 6:46 am Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: 441/R3cafeSteve]  
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Mine came VE with an EA number and 5 wire ET which I am converting to batt. Oh well, where to mount? perhaps a bent flat bar from coil mount to front?
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#396353 - 09/27/11 9:22 am Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: 441/R3cafeSteve]  
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If you are going away from stock toward practicality maybe fit a Podtronics reg/rectifier ?

IME a new single phase Pod is less expensive than the zener and also heat sink is integral, as is the rectifier.

Forgive my Phillistineism but getting home under power is better than not.

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#396357 - 09/27/11 10:11 am Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: 441/R3cafeSteve]  
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Hi Steve,

Originally Posted By: 441/R3cafeSteve
We don't pull them by the tail do we?

I do. Always have done. Ime, 99% will pull out fine, the other 1% are either corroded or otherwise damaged so needed fixing anyway. wink

That said, a couple of caveats:-

. I have a few short lengths of wire with Lucas-fitted bullets that've never pulled off. With brand-new sleeve connectors, I push these short lengths of wire-'n'-bullets in first with a closing tool then pull 'em out again - reduces the possibility that a new connector will pull a newly-crimped bullet off. frown

. All original wires, each strand will be 32SWG (Standard Wire Gauge) which, at 0.274mm o.d., is slightly smaller than metric strands at 0.03mm o.d. Most original wires on your R3 will be 14/32SWG (14 strands, each 32SWG). While I've had some luck crimping on specifically Lucas-made bullets for 14/0.30 metric cable, most such bullets won't stay on 14/32SWG - even crimped with the super-duper tool - so, if I pull off an original bullet, either I replace it with a Lucar tab or I replace the whole cable with 14/0.30.

Originally Posted By: 441/R3cafeSteve
I do know that wiring the stator to two wires in case (2 thin ones) will leave a blank on the licorice 3 wire union.

If you have three wires in the loom between stator and rectifier (White/Green, Green/Yellow, Green/Black) but two wires from the stator itself (White/Green, Green/Yellow), while I would just check the Green/Black wire with a meter, I suspect that whoever built the loom allowed for the 3-wire single-phase RM20 stator fitted to some early R3's and T150's.

Originally Posted By: Don M.
You only need a pair of pliers & a soldering iron to replace the bullets that pull off.

Only if you've mastered the specific technique of soldering to thin stranded copper wire. If not, you risk the hot solder running too far along the cable then setting to make a stiff joint that fails sooner or later with vibration. That's the reason why Lucas crimped all their connectors.

Originally Posted By: 441/R3cafeSteve
the headlight wires on R3 are intact but matching to the new loom may be a challenge.

Shouldn't be. Lucas never changed the headlamp wire colours - Blue/White for main, Blue/Red for dip, Red for earth/ground.

Originally Posted By: 441/R3cafeSteve
I am not sure all the pilot light feeds came on it as it only has 2.

2? There should be one - Red/Black.

That said, bear in mind that, if your bike has a pre-wired pilot bulb holder, the supply might be Brown/Green. On a '69 and for a few years afterwards, the toggle switch switched the pilot lamp off when the headlamp was on and vice versa. That's why those years show the pilot supply as Red/Black and the tail lamp supply as Brown/Green.

Otoh, later Triumphs have the pilot lamp come on with the tail lamp and stay on when the headlamp's on so both pilot and tail lamp supplies are Brown/Green.

Originally Posted By: 441/R3cafeSteve
There is more than two indicator lights though.

Shouldn't be.

That said, original looms for early triples are peculiar in that they incorporate the Green/Red and Green/White for indicators but nothing to incorporate the flasher relay (later Light Green/Brown). Ime, any warning bulb holder (that went into the headlamp shell '71-on) is connected to the long Green/Red and Green/White with bullet connectors so, if you don't want it, find those connectors.

Hth.

Regards,

#396367 - 09/27/11 12:16 pm Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: 441/R3cafeSteve]  
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And always use silicone grease on the connectors when connecting it all up, did this on my B44 SS in the early 80's when I put a replacement on and it still looks fresh (not like the rest of the bike wink ) and no electrical problems.

#396371 - 09/27/11 12:36 pm Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: D.Bachtel]  
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Originally Posted By: D.Bachtel
Not on the VE but on the VS, most certainly.
You're just having a senior moment Steve...
I have several daily and I'm only 55.


Don in Nipomo


From what I understand, all '67 off-road models were VE's? While marketed in some ads in the US as a "Victor Special", but I thought they all still had EA numbers and all had ET ignition. Am I mistaken?

Sorry about the anorak thread hijack, Steve. How about some practical advice: Didn't you say you had some shit-hot alternator in this thing? I wouldn't put a zener on a higher than stock output alternator. Have to agree that an electronic reg/rectifier would be best.


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#396389 - 09/27/11 2:15 pm Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: Alex]  
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Hell, EVERY moment for me is a senior moment.

Like Alex, I consider the round barrel 67 Victors to be Enduros, however they were marketed in the US as Specials. In any case, in 67 there were 2 models... the "R" model (Roadster or Shooting Star) with conventional ignition... and the other one, "EA" (Victor Enduro or Victor Special) that used ET.

Bottom line... drill a hole in the bottom yoke, easy enough.

#396420 - 09/27/11 6:47 pm Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: Stuart]  
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I used the word indicators not thinking that later bikes had turn signals but what I meant is there is 3+ small bulb in dash? and only 2 on the wiring loom. I will have to get some better lighting and do a vid of the situation.
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#396474 - 09/28/11 2:29 am Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: 441/R3cafeSteve]  
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Hi Steve,

Originally Posted By: 441/R3cafeSteve
what I meant is there is 3+ small bulb in dash? and only 2 on the wiring loom.

Nope, '69 has only two - red for oil warning, green for main beam warning.

Hth.

Regards,

#396511 - 09/28/11 12:59 pm Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: 441/R3cafeSteve]  
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It may help to hit the connector with some heat from a heat gun to soften the outside rubber before trying to pull them apart. But don't overdo it. If stubborn I use a little squirt of penetrating oil too.

If you find the double female connectors (2 wires each end, all bussed together) they will sure as shootin' eventually crack the metal and fall apart so try to eliminate them where possible.

#396584 - 09/28/11 11:10 pm Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: Stuart]  
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I guess I was confusing them with instrument lights? I'll have to check if those feeds are on the loom if present.
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#396669 - 09/29/11 1:08 pm Re: What is the "Right way" to disconnect bullet cons [Re: Russ Hunt]  
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Originally Posted By: Russ Hunt
It may help to hit the connector with some heat from a heat gun to soften the outside rubber before trying to pull them apart. But don't overdo it.


That's a great idea! Thanks for sharing.


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