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#377387 - 06/06/11 2:16 am Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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hitting at it again today....

fenders mounted..........rear was the one that came with it but the front is off of whoknowswhat that I picked up down at Jebbys,,,,,

reasr still needs cleaned but it's only "temporary " mounted...I couldnt get at the bolt all the way in the front with the wheel on...I have a new sparto flat black tail light for it too

tail/seat mounted (boy did that go together easily)

hooked up my podtronics regulator/rectifier.....the alternator is good and making volts...still need to find a good spot and make a mount for the rec/reg

mounted my 12V coil (I took a page from your book CH and am running a regular dual-fire sporty coil)need to wire it and need new plug wires

paint plans ATM is to rock the orange tank but paint the tail and sidecover john deere blitz black...I'm close to out of funds that were earmarked for this and I already have the paint....


a "real" paint job can wait till I reload the wallet a little bit













next step is FOR SURE forks!!


Rickman...I apoligize man...I don't know what I was looking at before ....shocks are 13" eye to eye...NOT 14"

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#377449 - 06/06/11 1:45 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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No Worries!
I thought that might be the case, I've never seen a set of 14" stock BSA shocks.

Oh well... Might have given this bike a bit more height...
Brett

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Dry frame shocks are 13.5". Shorter gives you issues eek


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#377464 - 06/06/11 2:51 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: raf940]  
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Originally Posted By: raf940
a good start...why oh why in the hell do people put those extended forks on bikes?? when you get the new ones keep those long jobs...they make great pry bars


Ditto on the pry bars - you can slip them over the end of a big wrench and REALLY get some leverage.

On long forks - back in the 40's, people who actually wanted better performance out of their Harley Davidsons would find Harley "XA" forks to put on their stock U and E and F models, to raise the front end a couple of inches so that the primary cases and footboards wouldn't scrape the road on a turn so easy.

When telescopic forks came along, they'd add a couple inches to the length with a "slug" screwed into the upper end.

Someone said "Hey, that guy's bike is faster than mine now, I want to make mine look like HIS!"

And then someone said "Well, if two inches is good, 10" must be FIVE TIMES AS GOOD!!". And then someone said "Wow, that's cool, let's ALL do it."

And then people who couldn't afford Harleys started doing it to their beater BSAs and Triumphs. At some point, no one noticed that simply adding length to the front end did NOT improve the handling of a BSA, but who cared?

Those, and 16" rear wheels with no other mods ... "I want a Harley but I can't have one! It's just as good as a Xerox!"

You can engineer a bike with those mods to handle decent, but just adding bits like that turns it into a dog ...

Lannis


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#377695 - 06/07/11 8:38 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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fork work the last couple days....

I bought another complete set of forks off of a member here but after realizing my "new" lowers wouldnt fit the wheel from my "old" forks (the new ones are quick disconnect) I ended pulling apart all four legs to swap the "old" lowers onto the "new" legs.....

these being the "old" style forks theyre stone simple to pull apart....

pull it out of the triple tree and slide the spring and boot off....

unthread the chrome "seal holder" from the lower and pop the snap ring out.....bobs your uncle theyre apart...

drive the old seals out and slide the new well-lubricated ones in
if you had to split the upper and lower like i did (usually you dont unless you need to swap tubes or you need new bushes) slide the upper back into the lower put the shim into place and pop the snap ring back in

theread the seal holder back on with a bit of teflon tape then the spring and boot and replace in the triple

theyre really very simple

I have new boots coming (as well as a set of stock headlight ears but I've got it back together enough to roll it around I need to pull the wheels when my tires come in anyhow

I'll need a new front brake cable (or cut this one down) as well and should figure out how to run a brake light switch on the front of this

brakes were in great shape so I just hosed them with some cleaner and lubed the pivot points

wheel bearings were very good condition as well

makes a BIG difference right??

the old tubes were 10" (!!!!) over

oh I didnt find anything really funky other than pieces of galvanized water pipe being used as spring spacers








#377701 - 06/07/11 9:11 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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Oh YEAH!
THAT'S looking MUCH better!

I wonder if you could send those long legs to Forking by Frank, and have him cut them down to the correct length, for a decent price, since you wouldn't be outright buying a set of tubes.... They look to be in better condition than the ones you bought...

Probably little used, once the owner found out how evil they handled?

#378844 - 06/14/11 3:04 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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some sheetmetal "teaser" shots







I WAS thinking john deere blitz black but man flat-black has been done.....(hell I've done it a couple times)

I NEVER see red oxide bikes and I had the paint soooo.......

#378949 - 06/15/11 12:07 am Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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Now then,
Take everything off the frame, and paint it blue. After all, orange and black is hardley....

#378951 - 06/15/11 12:16 am Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: Rickman]  
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Originally Posted By: Rickman
Now then,
Take everything off the frame, and paint it blue. After all, orange and black is hardley....


red oxide ..NOT orange

i know about the orange and black

me and my 75 sporty 3 years ago

#378966 - 06/15/11 1:17 am Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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Great job on a budget build so far ,judging by the sporty I am sure thisone will be a work in progress until you hit that level.Be careful , I was a sporty guy for nearly 20 years when I saw the light with a BSA,lost all interest in the old ironhead and never regretted it .

Anyway , the bike is coming along great , the fork ears, rubber boots and siamesed pipes should add to the caff look but if you don't mind my saying , that bike is screaming for a twin carb head and the trimmed sidecovers . Those deeper enclosed covers are awesome but they look like a touring bike ,maybe something to think about at the next swapmeet .Personally I wouldn't get rid of the original stuff but if you wanna swap,I gots some stuff .BTW , dont lettem talk you outta the orange , did that for a lotta years on my sporty , went yellow on the Beeza , purple(deep amethyst , could it get gayer??) on the latest one, I like 'em to look "right" but I have never been a big fan of "correct" or "original" unless I got the bike that way and then I typically flip them to someone who can appreciate that .

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#378973 - 06/15/11 2:11 am Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: BONZO R.I.P.]  
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C'mon now,
Ya know I wuz jist pokin' fun....

I can't wait to see what you finish up with, it's lookin' GREAT so far! Hope to ride with you at Steubenville some year, you on your A65 cafe', an' me on my... rocker? cafe'? altered, anyway... A10...
Brett

#378994 - 06/15/11 5:49 am Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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Rickman...

no biggie man...I knew you wasnt serious smile

Bonzo.....

thats funny.......I was thinking about cutting these covers down....

theres minor damage on the left side one low at the rear (like where the corner of the battery would be) so they werent ever going to be "restoration" pieces anyhow...

Just wasnt sure EXACTLY what to cut off and still be stable...

if you get a chance I'd appreciate pics of your "cut down" ones

the sporty.....yeah I liked that one...I had alot of work and alot of time into her....

also had a 74 XLCH for awhile


the 1990 FXR i sold very recently...
100" S&S and a sportybike front end with inverted forks


as you can probably tell I like going around corners

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#379972 - 06/20/11 10:19 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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getting close now......

waiting on a primary cover gasket,new sidecovers (I swapped my "touring" wrap-around ones for a smaller set off of a twin-carb) need to pull my wheels and take them down to Jebby for my new rubber and a new front brake cable

front fender will get mounted once I have my new rubber on (or not..I'm replacing the 3.25 that's on it with a 3.50 .......there MAY not be enough clearance....have to see)

I'm going with "antique" plates eventually anyhow which means I won't need a yearly inspection so the fender wouldnt matter one way or another..

still need a muffler as well.......or an empty can to stick there to extend the exhaust a bit

a day or so of "small stuff" ....mostly checking bolts are tight ,wiring tied up ,etc...that kind of shit


wire a new plug on the headlight ....these beezers use a size I didnt have one of so I made a clamp to hold an H-4 halogen in my Lucas lens

first on the list once I reload the wallet a little in some new shocks.....

these sag a little too much for my liking....

they must just be wore out....yeah.....that's it....that's the ticket....









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#381213 - 06/27/11 8:48 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!

3 kicks and she was running.......tuned the carb a little and now she's a one kick girl

stilll needs a little work (mostly cleaning up wiring) and I still need my new side covers

I still need an air filter as well

for ignition I ended up keeping the points and my 6V coils but running a ballast resistor inline with the coils.....dropped the 12V down far enough for the 6V coils to be happy

I had to flip the bars up....I'm too old to have them as low as they were

I need to get my tail over to the notary and get it registered too.........I found 4 nice pics of a restored one so I think I'll send those to harrisburg so I can run an "antique" tag

short video youtube video


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Nice job man bigt


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#381245 - 06/27/11 11:52 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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Whats the rear tire on it now?

#381265 - 06/28/11 12:47 am Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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Leon...

they're the firestone reproductions from coker tire

4.00X18 rear and 3.5X18 front

#381707 - 06/30/11 2:34 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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turned out I actually did even better than I thought I did on this,,,,,,,,

when I bought the bike it came with a big crazy chopper seat (likely what the goofy brackets were welded on the frame for) that I just sold on that auction site for 170 dollars!!

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Sweet ride, Scott!
Good work!

Mike

#383041 - 07/07/11 10:54 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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well for now anyhow she's all done....(with the exception if my center stand...still need to go to the hardware and find a spring for it)

took it on a 50 mile "test ride" today and think I have her about dialed in

rides REALLY nice......

while not a speed-demon (although she WILL go...just takes a little while to get there....I think I need a little less gearing) she's just fine on the highway and a STELLAR 40-60 MPH "country road" performer....which is EXACTLY what I wanted

let's see..........

new rubber (and tubes and rim strips)

rebuild AMAL

new points plugs and wires

new podtronics regulator/rectifier

re-wire a BUNCH of stuff (over the winter I believe I am going to COMPLETELY rewire with a new custom harness) including running fuses on the battery,reg/rec,lights and ignition

convert to 12V with my stock 6V coils and a ballast resistor (like on a norton or older cars)

sealed beam halogen (I didn't like the pattern my Lucas lens threw with the new halogen bulb)

rebuiild forks with stock length tubes

new tail/seat

clean,clean and more cleaning

new bars/mirrors/grips

lube EVERYTHING

cut all the goofy brackets etc that the PO put on

re-paint

footpeg rubbers

2:1 pipe and smaller dual-carb side covers (thanks Bonzo)

errrr I'm probably missing some stuff but you get the idea

grand total (every dime I spent INCLUDING what I paid for the bike AND the whitworth tools I bought ) is just UNDER a thousand bucks (and I still have a set of triples and a pair od quick-disconnect sliders to sell)

some pics from today








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Man that is looking good, and the price is spot on! I am not a fan of the 'muffler', but hey it works.


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#383152 - 07/08/11 2:34 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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Just goes to show, that you don't have to spend a fortune to have a nice rider Britbike, even today.

I would never have guessed that you could have a bike like that on the road for $1000. You really leveraged the $250 original cost with some mechanical skills (and some good luck that the engine wasn't trashed - so many of them ARE!) and ended up with a winner.

Now RIDE it!

Lannis


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But I can stop any time I want.
#383163 - 07/08/11 3:39 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: Lannis]  
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Love the two into one. I actually like the location of the second tool bag on the LH side. Muffler looks FINE! Time for that Gold Clubman paint with the red pinstipes.

Go get 'em Scott!

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#383218 - 07/08/11 9:13 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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I'm not yet sure what I am doing for paint yet....

it won't be untill the season is over at any rate...

I'm kind of looking for a 60s-70s style "flake" open face helmet and I'm kind of waiting to see what color helmet I pick up before I decide on paint color....

in the running (as everything stands right now) is candy apple red over a heavy gold flake base or candy tangerine over the same base

re:trashed motors....

I know I got lucky......but if all else failed I figured I could part it out for what I had in it

re pipe/muffler: I would have loved to have a nice "cocktail shaker" on it but that was $70 vs FREE for this one(I have a friend that owns a shop that does mostly ironhead sportsters..this was in one of his "bins"...was a no-brainer on a limited budget

I'm not sure if I like the overall shape but I dig the little "fin" on it so for now it is staying

re toolbag: yeah I liked it there as well....much easier to get into and holds more stuff than the other side bag.....

ive got some tools in my stock bag and just keep a plug wrench,spare plugs,feelers (I'm still running points)a multit-tip screwdriver,zip ties,spare fuses and a little bottle of MMO (for when I put gas in it)in the left side one

i just punched a couple holes low on the back of the bag to zip-tie it about where the passenger peg goes so it doesnt "flop" on me

thanks for the compliments guys....I'm having a GREAT time with this

it turned out to be a spectacular back road putting around bike which like I said is EXACTLY what I anted

#383532 - 07/10/11 2:09 pm Re: new member..new to me BSA [Re: scott sonon]  
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Scott,
It looks GREAT!

Wow! Bought in May, scrounged and running finished by July, you're an inspirational icon.

Will you be at Mid-Ohio next weekend? Or Steubenville in August?

If you must replace the seat, keep me in mind? I may have to try it out on a bike, and see how one fits me....

Nice to see you 'recycling' unwanted parts, like a king/queen seat?

I am seeing the right side tank badge starting to crack? Since those blue ones are so hard to find [?], maybe you might want to take 'em off for show, and find some repop others to use while riding the bike regularly?
I THINK there was a thread about saving cracking badges? It'll be a hunt, if the author doesn't point that thread out...

Another item you may want to add to your futures list; even with you off the bike, it appears to me that the fork springs may be sacked out...? You may want to replace them? And as you look to be a taller and huskier fellow than I am, you might wish to specify springs for use with a sidecar?

I often bottomed out my old A10 forks, and wished I had known about sidecar springs then....

Maybe you can now tell a spring supplier the weight of you and your bike, and new springs can be made to order?

Again, Forking by Frank said they have fork springs for side car use, but those may be a one weight pre-tensioned set of springs.... I don't know if Frank can get springs of any other pressure tension or not...

I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing the bike run!
Yeah, it looks like you will be more comfortable with the more upright seating position.
Brett

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