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Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels #346600 12/05/10 12:00 pm
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Hello,

I am restoring a 850 Commando from 1973 at the moment and I am wondering whether the pinstripes on tank and side panels are original. I saw pictures in the brochures and manuals with black painting without pinstripes ("ever popular traditional black livery").

http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Brochures/1970/74NortonBrochure.pdf

So my question is: Have they been sold with and without pinstripes at tank and side panels?

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Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #346608 12/05/10 1:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Towner
I am restoring a 850 Commando from 1973 at the moment


So you need to be looking at the 1973 brochure.

http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Brochures/1970/1973NortonLineUp.pdf




Originally Posted by Towner
I am wondering whether the pinstripes on tank and side panels are original.



So, do your Commando's stripes the match the brochure pinstripes?


Originally Posted by Towner
I saw pictures in the brochures and manuals with black painting without pinstripes ("ever popular traditional black livery").


Are you under the impression that the black Roadster above the caption in the '74 brochure has no pinstripes? If so, then I think you need to take a closer look?


Originally Posted by Towner
Have they been sold with and without pinstripes at tank and side panels?



850 models normally had the pinstripes as they are shown in both '73 and '74 brochures. Note that the Interstate models had no panel stripes.


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Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: L.A.B.] #346616 12/05/10 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by L.A.B.

Are you under the impression that the black Roadster above the caption in the '74 brochure has no pinstripes? If so, then I think you need to take a closer look?


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Thanks,

Yes you may be right, there could be some pinstripes on the tank. So you think, that all black Commando's had the pinstripes ?

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Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #346621 12/05/10 2:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Towner
Yes you may be right, there could be some pinstripes on the tank. So you think, that all black Commando's had the pinstripes ?


The tank (and panel) stripes are undoubtedly there, although somewhat difficult to see on the tank in that photo without some photo enhancement, and yes, the standard black 850 Roadster and Interstate colour schemes always had the gold pinstriping as shown in the brochures as far as I know.

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Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #346636 12/05/10 5:04 pm
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Yes, I can see the stripes. The interstate tanks mostly have the stripes. But I was wondering, because you see the roadster often without stripes. The yellow and red-orange versions were always without stripes anyway. So I question whether all black roadster have really been delivered with stripes. I think the brochure mustn't have been a warranty for that.

Edit: Especially the fibreglass tanks which are much common in this time seem to be often without stripes.

Ralf

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Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #346643 12/05/10 6:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Towner
because you see the roadster often without stripes. The yellow and red-orange versions were always without stripes anyway.

Edit: Especially the fibreglass tanks which are much common in this time seem to be often without stripes.



I think you are misleading yourself slightly, as certain 750 Roadster model colours had tanks without stripes, also the 750 models had no side panel stripes, however even the black 750 models had the single "D" tank stripe.
1971 750: http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/A_Link/1970s/71Norton-ad.pdf
1972 750: http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/A_Link/1970s/72Commando-Ad.pdf

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Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #346647 12/05/10 6:51 pm
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Thanks,

I think you are right. I suppose the fibreglass tanks are such often to be seen without stripes, because they often have to be repainted.
Nice stripes at the girl as well ...

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Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #346651 12/05/10 7:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Towner
I suppose the fibreglass tanks are such often to be seen without stripes, because they often have to be repainted.


By the time the first 850 models were introduced in early 1973, the fibreglass tanks were being phased out due to new safety legislation. If you check the specifications in the 1973 brochure, it lists the capacities of the steel tanks for the 850 Roadster and Interstate, only the Hi-Rider still appears to have a fibreglass tank.

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Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: L.A.B.] #346740 12/06/10 7:19 am
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Originally Posted by L.A.B.

By the time the first 850 models were introduced in early 1973, the fibreglass tanks were being phased out due to new safety legislation. If you check the specifications in the 1973 brochure, it lists the capacities of the steel tanks for the 850 Roadster and Interstate, only the Hi-Rider still appears to have a fibreglass tank.


Thanks - an interesting information !


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Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #348274 12/16/10 9:53 am
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Hi,

I have golden pinstripes on my Triumph. That looks really good as the Triumph has a two tone painting. But Triumph had always a more extensive paint scheme on their bikes. Norton - especially the Commando - is known with a simple single-color design. And I think a single-color painting without pinstripes is the best look for a commando - even in black. On the other hand it is nice to have the original look. I am also considering to take another color, but I like black for the Commando. At the moment I am tending to black with golden decals and without pinstripes.

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Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #364233 03/21/11 12:00 pm
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Hi,

my Commando is finsihed now. I still decided on the pinstripes. Yesterday the weather was fine and did a ride of 60 mls.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #364247 03/21/11 2:26 pm
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You have done an excellent job, Ralf, it looks good.

Did it go OK?

Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #364273 03/21/11 9:13 pm
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Yes, it runs fine and smooth. It has got a top end rebuid as well. But today I recognized a small crack at left exhaust thread. One of the PO's had repaired the threads. Is it something to worry about ? At the moment it makes no trouble.

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Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #364280 03/21/11 10:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Towner
But today I recognized a small crack at left exhaust thread. One of the PO's had repaired the threads. Is it something to worry about ?


It's rather difficult to tell from the photo?
However, the exhaust thread looks as if it's been repaired with an insert, so provided the insert is tight in the head and doesn't start to become loose, then I wouldn't worry too much. Just check that the crack doesn't spread any further.

Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #364285 03/21/11 11:09 pm
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Check your timing.....those purple pipes say its off.

Re: Pinstripes on black 850 tank and panels [Re: Towner] #364340 03/22/11 6:07 am
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Originally Posted by L.A.B.
... Just check that the crack doesn't spread any further.


Thanks - that's what I already decided to do. As long as it runs good without any problem I will do nothing. For the moment I want to ride it after all the work. And the weather gets warmer now in Germany.

@Alan: The timing has been corrected. But I don't want to renew the pipes. They are still good.

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Blued pipes tells kids not to touch. They just look hot!
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