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#35169 - 02/22/08 11:08 pm Base color under flamboyant red  
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Anyone know if it is a gold or silver base coat on a 69 Lightning tank?

Got my hands on a reference “original” tank to use as guide for pin striping. I think it might be a 68 or earlier from the decal. It appears to have a silver undercoat. I’m hearing and reading conflicting opinions for base coat under flamboyant red.

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#35170 - 02/23/08 4:12 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  

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Anyone know if it is a gold or silver base coat on a 69 Lightning tank?

Got my hands on a reference “original” tank to use as guide for pin striping. I think it might be a 68 or earlier from the decal. It appears to have a silver undercoat. I’m hearing and reading conflicting opinions for base coat under flamboyant red.

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I remember an earlier post on this topic that showed a gold base coat, but that might have been for an earlier bike.

I am working on a '70 lightning and had decided to do that with a gold base. But I won't be getting to that for a while, so I'm real interested if anyone has any more info on this.

Then I can be even more confused! confused

#35171 - 02/23/08 9:06 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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FWIW, after doing my best to ascertain the correct shade of red for my 70 A65, I went thru the book of colors at the local body shop and picked 2008 Dodge Viper Red, which is a basecoat, clearcoat two part system. Its on the orange side of red.


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#35172 - 02/23/08 10:41 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  

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...2008 Dodge Viper Red, which is a basecoat, clearcoat two part system.
That is probably the best solution, but I'm thinking that these bikes were oroginally more of a translucent candy over base coat system.

I once did a red triple in what I thought was a good match, until I parked it next to an original. I'm probably wrong, but it sure looked like a candy paint job to me.

#35173 - 02/24/08 3:30 am Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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The 67s were silver base coat, with candy red over. The older (pre-unit RGS No. Amer. bound) were gold base coat. Not gospel but probably correct. Were 69s the same as 67s? More than likely. If your looking for a candy paint in can I think Plastic cote or Krylon have it. Base - candy then clear.

#35174 - 02/24/08 4:05 am Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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Part of the Flamboyance comes from the coarsness of the metalflake in the base; in fact getting that right might be of greater import than the color. Study as many tanks as you can see and photograph close ups of those you like. Don't get too hung up on "originality"... these parts were painted one at a time, by hand, with whatever paints came in at low bid for that batch.

I like House of Kolor flakes and candies... lots of grinds to choose from, and once completely dry will take fuel proof urethane clears. Shoot some test panels with varying air pressure, reduction and number/wetness of coats. You will find a combination you find pleasing. Don't forget to clear the test panels... "cast" can change as the light will refract through clear differently than just the candy. beerchug


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#35175 - 02/24/08 4:11 am Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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John, Heres a picture of the tank with a silver basecoat. think it is 68..but not sure. I'll take a pass on spray can candy!

Jim Bob is correct...candy over a base coat . Think the gold will give a slightly darker color, but that all depends on numbers of coats of candy red. Seems most people are doing over gold.



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#35176 - 02/24/08 4:21 am Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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Wash that thing with dish soap and water, and hit a softball sized area with Meguiar's Liquid Crystal step 2 on a dish towel, then look again. It's too dirty and oxidized to see much at present! Rub hard then take a new pic.


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#35177 - 02/24/08 4:29 am Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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Trump, Not my tank! I borrowed it to give painter guidance when he paints mine…and he’s waiting for my decision on base coat.

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#35178 - 02/24/08 4:31 am Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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The "BSA A10 Super Rocket Page" lists the following for a match:

1966 A50 & A65 BSA Lightning Flamboyant Red:
PORSCHE Brilliant Red ICI Code C966B,
Source: Jon at SRM


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#35179 - 02/24/08 5:03 am Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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My '67 brochure lists the color on the Lightning as metalic red. The original paint on the tanks is fair at best. It doesn't hold up the the elements after a few rides a year, even if waxed and covered with heated inside storage after. I guess they weren't thinking about the long term (40 years later)!!! The next original pictures topic will be one.

#35180 - 02/24/08 5:20 am Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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You are right about the color description in the catalog. And the '67 spares manual lists the Lightning color (tank) as Flamboyant Red, Chrome Panels, Single White line.


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#35181 - 02/24/08 6:17 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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John,
Timely post on your “Original 67 Lightning”. As you mentioned prior, it has a silver basecoat. The tank I posted has the flip up gas cap, which I think makes it a 68 based on the decal. So we have a 67 and 68 with silver base coats, which leads me to believe 69 must be the same. Also, the gentleman rebuilding my engine(and who sold them new) said they had a silver basecoat. The funny thing is that it appears most people are using a gold basecoat.

Trump,
“House of Kolor” Candy Red is what my painter is using, followed with a clear coat.


Decided I’m going with silver, as it will pick up the silver in the tank decal.


Bruce


#35182 - 02/24/08 6:56 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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"Decided I’m going with silver, as it will pick up the silver in the tank decal."

I hope the red tank isn't to pick up the color of my eyes!!

John

#35183 - 02/24/08 7:22 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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Hi . I have a 1970 bsa A65 Lightning 650 ,Blue in color. Like to know the code number for Flamboyant Blue for this model year. Thanks Roy

#35184 - 02/24/08 8:21 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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John, sorry to disappoint, it was the painter that suggested silver because of the decal. Never would have thought of it myself.

Roy, don’t think there are paint codes like today’s paints. I know for my Triumph there wasn’t any code, but you can buy color matched paint from Don Hutchinson who specializes in it. Haven’t heard of anyone similar in the BSA world.


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#35185 - 02/25/08 10:30 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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BSA used a silver base coat for the blue , green & purple colours and a gold base coat for the reds.
There was a really good series in one of the USA magazines which detailed exactly how BSA went about trying to "match" the fashion for metalic colours with a system that could be used with their current factory set up


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#35186 - 02/29/08 8:00 am Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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Great info on the candy colors. I had an red RGS tank that appeared to have the gold base coat under the red candy. Than's why I said I thought the preunits may of had the gold under the red. However my original paint '67 Lightning is silver base. Just for the record.

#35187 - 02/29/08 10:31 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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Would anyone have the formula for Porsche brilliant red?
Trev.

#35188 - 02/29/08 10:36 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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Trev, will need year model and what brand of paint you are using.


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#35189 - 02/29/08 10:51 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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Keith, as above - ICI code C966B. I asked a local supplier some time back about this colour and they had no info.
There's a few of us in this area needing this colour , as you know, and any help would be appreciated.

#35190 - 03/05/08 9:31 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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I have just got some porsche brilliant red,it is a two coat red over silver/grey.The guy I bought mine from only had one porsche brill red listed. I am not sure of the code but the one above does not look familiar.
The make of the stuff I got is MIPA,
If you need the code for that I can get it for you.

#35191 - 03/12/08 11:12 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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Back from painter.
Four coats of candy red over silver. Actually looks a little darker in person.



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#35192 - 03/12/08 11:38 pm Re: Base color under flamboyant red  

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Four coats of candy red over silver.
Looks right. Very nice. How did you do the pin stripping? I always have problems with five or six coats of paint leaving a nasty ridge between the paint and the chrome.

The last few BSA tanks I've done I did with solid paint to avoid the annoying thickness of the candy. I'm going back to candy for the next one, but I'm still not looking forward to the ridge!

#35193 - 03/13/08 12:23 am Re: Base color under flamboyant red  
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Jim Bob,

You can feel the transistion between pin stripping and chrome on this tank also, but I wouldn't quite call it a ridge.

I'll just have to learn to live with it!

Bruce


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