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#337559 - 10/11/10 2:38 am 2010 BSA National Rally  
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Just a short note to let you know that the photographer ( Tim Munro) has uploaded all of the images of the rally here 6th Australian BSA National Rally

Password is beeza.

looks like the direct link will not work.


A bit latter on I will sort out mine and put up a face book link.

Thanks to all those on this list who came and braved the rain.
I had fun , nervious breakdown , ulcers & panic attacks but apart from that it was good.
Next year the Barossa so I get to eat drink & be merry while others toil & swet

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#337569 - 10/11/10 5:49 am Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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Hi Trevor
I looked in on that link but it is locked.
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#337577 - 10/11/10 8:36 am Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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sorry,
I put the wrong link up.
Rally participants can get the DVD but joe public can only buy prints.

That is the deal we have with Tim which is how we can afford a $ 5000 / day photographer for a 3 day event.

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#337583 - 10/11/10 10:46 am Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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You are kidding me,arnt you??? 5gs a day,nobody gets that in oz for taking photos unless its for some bigtime mag featuring nude models or something to that effect. Mate up the road,pro photogragher would do that for the airfare,just to be there. Sorry if i sound a bit taken back and no offence to you at all.
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#337613 - 10/11/10 3:29 pm Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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Really? No way to see these pics without a password? frown

#337623 - 10/11/10 4:44 pm Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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Originally Posted By: BSA_WM20
sorry,
That is the deal we have with Tim which is how we can afford a $ 5000 / day photographer for a 3 day event.


Man! Wade's been holding out on us! $15,000 for a three day event?

Where's my camera!?!?!

Lannis


OK, I admit it, I'm addicted to brake fluid.

But I can stop any time I want.
#337681 - 10/11/10 9:29 pm Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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so thats where my entry fee money went too. At least the food was excellent.
just type in beeza to unlock it to view the pics.

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#337690 - 10/11/10 10:29 pm Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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Having spent 30 years courering to the publishing industry with 60+ photographers on my books 4 photgraphers agencies, 5 model agencies, 6 design studios, 3 movie producers 2 movie editors and a countless number of stylists, I have a fairly good handle on who gets paid what for what.
Fashion photographers get paid poorly on what the industry calls "editorial rate"
Models oft do not get paid at all, they do the work to build their portfolio and receive contra, stylists do the best as they always get paid fairly well as they do not get much in the way of photo credits.
Advertising is what pays and without it most in the publishing industry would starve.
There are a lot of people who earn a living by pointing the camera at an image that some else has created, under lighting that some one else has positioned and pressing the button on the camera.They take photos.
There are not many photographers, people who can frame a shot that others will find interesting, or tell the story that the producers want to in a single image, who work quickly in any light in any conditions and produce photos that can go to press without reouching. These people are worth dig money to the industry.
And that is the difference between the people who turn over 300K a year and those who do 100 or less. Most of the lessers are technically competitant but they just don't have the "eye". Me included.
It sounds like a lot of cash but some only actually shoot 1 or 2 days in a month and a single days shooting could take a weeks worth of preperation and Aussie photographers have to supply their own gear , their own transport and usually assistants. Mags have a flat rate of $ 200/day for assistants and generally only allow 1.

It was always fun when some NY big shot came to town to "show us how it is done" the found out that they were expected to do more that push the shutter release.
We used to shoot video clips with a staff of 5 (total for sound light style & image) and this was in the days of celluloise .
A big shot producer came down to do a promo and walked off set because "he could not work like that" . Silverchair ( local rockish band ) shot their first video in an old theater with a crew of 4 to do the sets and 4 to do the actual shoot. (excluding me)
They won a competition which had some hot shot US producer do their next one and he "needed" a crew of 36 and they needed ancillary staff around 15 which meant that we had to find a third catering van to feed them all and the shooting alone took 3 full days. The previous "local one" took 2.5 days walk in walk out.

A very big name NY photogrpher walked off set when I arrived with only 20 rolls of film for a 20 image session. The idea of having to produce 1 useable shoot out of only 36 attempts he thought was outrageious and the idea of doing 20 shoots in a day was apparently not appealing either.
Most locals averaged 2 per roll and a "days" work of 20 to 30 is about the norm.

Way back I had fantacies of becoming a freelance motorcycle photographer.
We got $50 per image and 5 a word in print. I shot with pro gear, using pro film and was lucky to get 1 shot published for every 3 rolls ( 36 trannies/roll ) which cost me $37 / roll in film & processing. I quickly learned that while there was glamour in your name in print, humping the stuff to the shoot had a better chance of paying the morgtage than pressing the shutter & I got paid regardless.

And yes I may have been taking some liberties with the $ amount.
Old habits die hard It is a term we used in the trade ie $5000 day = top shelf $5 / day = an assistant who got greedy and spends more time in photoshop than the studio.

I have no idea what Tim earns but I know what some of my old clients could have charged for his work.

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#337753 - 10/12/10 8:56 am Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: bruisa15]  
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so thats where my entry fee money went too. At least the food was excellent.


No, most of it went to Maitland council, Maitland Gaol and the caterers.

...and toilet paper. People must have been using the bog paper to stuff their sleeping bags frown


Yeah, the tucker was great, especially lunch at Vacy

#337845 - 10/12/10 9:50 pm Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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Well Trev, now im looking forward to your photos,cause they will be taken with passion.
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#338169 - 10/14/10 6:55 pm Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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And here I was going to sell my 100 page New Zealand book at my cost after spending 5 months putting it together..... I would shoot any rally for expenses and a bike.... as long as I can still enjoy the rally


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#338179 - 10/14/10 8:12 pm Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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Wade...will you be aproaching the NZBSAOC to sell , assuming you are talking about the one in ChCH in feb this year?


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#338257 - 10/15/10 2:09 am Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: wadeschields]  
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And here I was going to sell my 100 page New Zealand book at my cost after spending 5 months putting it together..... I would shoot any rally for expenses and a bike.... as long as I can still enjoy the rally


aiui, that's pretty much the deal with Tim. Any profit for him comes from sales of prints and DVDs, plus any shots he's commissioned to do on the day.
It's also a promotional opportunity for him, so to some extent he's a trade sponsor.

The wet weather and Gaol renovations threw a spanner into the works this year. He ran through a slideshow on his PC at the Wallarawang rally in 2006 and everybody hung around there after the run instead of frequenting the beer tent, so the plan was for him to set up next door to the beer tent.

#338329 - 10/15/10 3:40 pm Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: Ignoramus]  
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Wade...will you be aproaching the NZBSAOC to sell , assuming you are talking about the one in ChCH in feb this year?


I would like to contact them .... Got their info? I plan to make up a presentation video to show what the book looks like....


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#338345 - 10/15/10 5:20 pm Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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Wade /...I will PM you the email address of the magazine editor after I have asked him if he doesnt mind me doing that.

EDIT

hes ok with that ....PM sent

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#339746 - 10/25/10 9:51 am Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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here are the pics that i took.













#340735 - 10/31/10 9:27 am Re: 2010 BSA National Rally [Re: BSA_WM20]  
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for the Aussies on this list,
Hi Trevor,

The Beezas Behind Bars piece is out now in AMCN. We got 4 pages in the current issue 27Oct-9Nov 2010.

Enjoy.

Regards, Tim

Tim Munro Photography - AIPP Member
Phone: 0417 264782

For the non blessed, AMCN is Australian Motorcycle News, which is a fortnightly publication devoted to contemporary motorcycling and motorcycle competition so it is a bit of a coop to get a "classic " article let alone 4 pages of it.


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