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Remote Oil Filter on C15 #313573
05/16/10 6:27 am
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Has anyone fitted a remote oil filter to a C15 and, if so, do they have any pictures of how they got it to fit? I have tried to fit one, but cannot find anywhere to put it without it looking awful or being vulnerable to knocks.

Thank you.

James.


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Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: ceefer] #313597
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Rather than using the large norton commando screw on canister type of filter, it is possible to use a plastic inline filter normally meant for car petrol/diesel fuel systems. These are much smaller & easy to fit measuring about 4 inches long and 2 inches wide. I tried one on my B44 fitted on the return line, seems to work fine. I got mine on eBay - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/6-8mm-Z29-INLINE-F...=item5632823821

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Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: gunner] #313615
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Other option is the small oil filter fitted to the B40WD and the late B25's, thats what I have for mine but its not fitted yet.

Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: kommando] #313641
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Thank you for the replies and suggestions.

I am a little wary of using an in-line fuel filter for the oil. I did this last time I ran the bike, but was always a little apprehensive that it was restricting the flow. The filter that I used was intended for use with diesel fuel and I had visions that it flow less than one designed for oil. I was also worried about the lack of a bypass in case it clogged up.

Kommando: would you mind measuring your filter, if it easily accessible? Also, may I ask where you bought it?

Thank you.

James.


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Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: ceefer] #313653
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Not sure about that clear plastic filter it might not stand up to hot oil too well. See my post in the general brit bike forum 'cheap and easy oil filter ' a week or so ago. I use a large 3"x3" metal case, paper car fuel filter in the return line of my B44. I attached it to the rear frame downtube with a large hose clamp. Works fine. Throw it away and fit a new one every other oil change. The lack of a bypass is not really a major issue as the filter is in the return line. If it blocks up (and it never does) you will notice the engine 'sumping up'. I'll post a pic if I can figure out how to do it.

Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: ceefer] #313654
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I put on a Trident/Rocket 3 oil filter. I've changed the zip-ties to hose clamps. A piece of sticky one side wheather strip cushions it on the frame.


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Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: ceefer] #313656
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just get the one from MAP CYCLES st pete fl. its the one in the picture

Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: bodine031] #313672
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Thank you for the replies. I do like the look of the triple filter: I will have look to see whether I can find one in Britain. Can I assume that it has a bypass filter? If not, I could buy one of the elements and fabricate a housing quite easily. Then again, if I keep the oil regularly changed and do the filter at the same time, I suppose a bypass is not so important. The bike is kept in a garage and is generally used in the warmer weather, so cold starting is less likely to matter.

Any thoughts, anyone?

Regards,

JAmes.


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Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: ceefer] #313752
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Yes,
Bypass filters definatly not needed by loving BSA owners who follow the 10 Commandments of Small Heath.


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Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: BSA_WM20] #314419
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I also would like to install an oil filter to my 1965 C-15 and, like some comments, find the automotive filters too large and esthetically unpleasing. I do like Larry Lebel's Trident/Rocket3 fitting. Does anyone have the OEM part number so I can hunt one down and, does the C-15 produce enough pressure in the return line to make it effective? PS: An alternate to the above suggestion (Buffyporson) that an in-0line gas filter might not stand up under hot oil, the 'glass' filters with changeable nylon filters appear to work fine, but have minimal capacity.
Thanks gents.

Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: CafeLoco] #314430
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I got mine (on eBay) from Map Cycle as Bodine031 says.

Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: CafeLoco] #314587
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The long filter is caller a "hide-de-hide" or "Hide-de -ho" or some thing like that.
From memory they come from Map cycles and also British Cycle Supply.


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Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: BSA_WM20] #314706
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Cafe, there is no OEM number. The filter housing is an aftermarket item and only refereed to as the Trident filter because it uses the Trident/RocketIII element.
I have one on my Bonneville. I bought it from MAP cycles a few years ago. In hindsight it turns out to be a good move since I now have a Trident too so I only need to keep one type of filter on hand.


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Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: shel] #314725
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Shel,

Can I just confirm: am I right in thinking that the filter that you have fitted to your BSA single is, effectively, just a tube with an inlet and outlet, a filter and a spring to keep the element in place and nothing else? Can I also assume that all you did was to fit this in the return line and all has been well ever since?

Regards,

James.


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Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: ceefer] #314726
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James, I have mine on my Bonneville. But yes, it is just a tube with a 90* fitting threaded into the bottom with a hose from the return side of the pump and another 90* fitting threaded into the side of the tube about an inch or so from the bottom with a hose connected to the oil tank and a filter and a spring to push the filter tight against the bottom of the tube. The filter comes with a seal attached to the inlet side. The cap has a groove cut into it for an o-ring.
HTH Sheldon


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Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: shel] #314734
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Sheldon,

Thank you for the detail. Guess what I shall doing shortly?

Regards,

James.


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Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: ceefer] #314792
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sign me up for one of those as well, much cleaner looking than the other types...and are they bypass filters...that wasn't answered I think.

Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: Bodger] #314798
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I've used one of these 'Hi-De-HI' filters for 4 years with no issues. In the UK they were being sold by a GoldStar owner ... Bob something i think. Before i bought it i asked him if it would work with 50 weight oil and was told it would be OK. If the oil viscosity is too high,or the filter is clogged, the filter element lifts off it's seat and allows a direct flow back to the tank. Mine is mounted on the back mudguard and out of sight.
Gram

Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: ceefer] #314918
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Hi,

Originally Posted By: ceefer
triple filter: I will have look to see whether I can find one in Britain.

Tri-cor England and look at RS009 and RS024 - slight differences in the inlet pipe position and mounting arrangements.

Originally Posted By: Bodger
are they bypass filters...

No. But, as the triple's oil pump produces around 1/3rd more pressure than a twin's (dunno what a C15's pump produces), I can't see much else troubling it.

Originally Posted By: gram
if it would work with 50 weight oil and was told it would be OK.

Over on the Triples On Line forum, there is a current thread about an Emgo element than 'blew up'; the triple it came out of was being used with straight 50-weight oil and the suggestion is that plus insufficient warming-up was the cause.

Bear in mind that Emgo is a pattern part maker. Oem triple filter elements have never been known to have problems, are still being made and are available from triple specialists.

Originally Posted By: gram
If the oil viscosity is too high,or the filter is clogged, the filter element lifts off it's seat

Not necessarily - the element will only lift off its seat if the pump can generate sufficient pressure to push it off against the spring pressure. As it can resist the 100+psi that a triple's pump can generate with cold oil, I wouldn't hold out much hope of any other standard pump lifting it off.

Hth.

Regards,

Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: Stuart] #315027
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Whilst i am not saying catergorically that you are wrong Stuart, and i have'nt carried out any experiments, i very much doubt that the spring in the filter body is anything like strong enough to resist 100+psi.
Gram

Re: Remote Oil Filter on C15 [Re: gram] #315105
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Hi Gram

Originally Posted By: gram
i very much doubt that the spring in the filter body is anything like strong enough to resist 100+psi.

With three triples myself and knowing literally dozens of triple owners with oil pressure gauges fitted (it's been a regular and easy modification since the first purpose-made kits became available in the mid-1980's), I assure you that it's a very poor triple oil pump that can't produce over 100psi with cold oil. Correspondingly, the problems caused by oil filters being pushed off seats would be widespread and well-known if it happened regularly.

Hth.

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