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250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30256
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From the archives. And BMS= The first Classic BSA Scene. Text reads as follows:

Four views of BSA's abortive 250 4-valve twin carb racing single, now in the Stanford Hall Museum of Important Motorcycles. A one off, supervised by development engineer Doug Hele and designed by out-going Bert Hopwood, it was to have appeared at Silverstone Saturday, Geoff Duke up, but the managing director of the day demanded a guaranteed win; faced with such an impossible dictum, Hele withdrew the entry. Bevels and a vertical shaft took the ohc drive to one camshaft which then drove the other. The valves were disposed radially. Hele went to join Goldie designer Hopwood returning to Norton in 1956.









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Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30257
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WOW... eek .

Let the "could, shoulda, woulda" begin...


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Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30258
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Is this the MC1?


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Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30259
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Yes (MC1). I believe Hopwood credited Hele with the design in his book but probably a colaboration. The cams formed an inverted "V" over the chamber.

Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30260
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Hi Guys
I think I have video footage of it running at the Sammy Miller Museum. Jeff

Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30261
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Well put it on youtube so we can check it out! That would be excellent!


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Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30262
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As jeff mention , this bike was featured in the "best o British:BSA" video , a bit of history about it and and the designer as well as Geoff Duke and the had some footage of this beast roaring to life , an incredible sound from a britbike , engine was capable of 11,000 RPM if I recall ... I have no idea how to post to youtube or I'd post it.

FWIW-BONZO

Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30263
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Hi Guys
I just found the clip. Bonzos right its on the best of british. I dont know how to get VHS onto my computer. Any ideas? Jeff

Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30264
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My two pennies

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Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30265
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Ger, That's worth a couple of euros at least!


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Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30266
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Funnily enough this has been topical in the Geoff Poyners reminiscences in 'The Star'. In this months issue he covered his time with the MC1 under the direction of engineer Bill Bentley. At this stage (1952) the develpment was headed by Doug Hele who had taken over from Hopwood. To cut a long story short after many months of work they were up to 32 bhp at 11,000 rpm. Not bad for the day!

Cheers Clanger

Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30267
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You can rear Roland Pike's (Goldie developer) thoughts on the MC1 here http://www.restorenik.com/daytona/RP_chp_17.htm

the jist was ,
oil drain problems from rockerbox.
Concerns over bevel drive bushings and gear pitch
Under finned .
Comp ratio too high for reliabile running on poor fuel available.
Primary drive problems.
It was not reliable in tests and BSA/ Hele dropped it without further developement.

Shame
Cheers
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Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30268
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I wonder: did it inspire Aermacchi to develop the Ala Verde and Ala d'Oro?


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Re: 250 4 valve twin carb racing single- one off #30269
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Hey Pod, MarkB, RFW et al.

Aparently Roland Pike was not a big fan of the timing side bush either!! Hmmm....

Interesting read!!!!!


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