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On the road for BSA #283245
11/10/09 5:48 pm
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I've recently received a collection of my late uncle Joe Ward's photographs and memorabilia from his days as the field sales rep for west coast BSA importer Hap Alzina in Oakland California from 1959 to 1964. During this time, he travelled the 18 western states meeting with dealers and taking orders for the latest bikes.

That's Hap on the left with the fedora, Joe on the far right.


Of course he was supplied with the company station wagon and a fine BSA for his own use while on the road. Notice the license plate.


Many of the dealerships were typically modern establishments of the time selling a wide variety of makes.


Others were a bit more folksy.


Some were proud to show off their cutomizing skills.


Even Hap seemed pleased with this one.

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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Cariboo_kid] #283259
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Awesome photos. bigt Makes me wanna be there. But then again I am obsessed with that era. I am dying to drive cross country to see these places. Hit as many National parks as I can and "see" America. It wont be the 60's but I can imagine it. I'll bet some of it hasnt changed much

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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Cariboo_kid] #283263
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All of the pics are great. The last one with the TT bike is GREAT!. Thanks for sharing.....


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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Rich B] #283315
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Marvelous find, my friend. I love those old photos. My pop wore a hat like Uncle Joe's every day. I travelled around the US a few years back and I was disappointed at how much the country is homogenized. Seems every town has McDonalds or Taco Belle, and the old hardware stores have been replaced with a Lowe's where you are greeted by very polite employees that don't know a sheet rock screw from a 1/4-20 bolt.. Car dealerships are pretty much mega opeations and your bike shops carry several Japanese brands. Time changes things, Wish I had the money to make the trip in the 60ties. Did make a trip by bus to Key West in the early sixties. Many farms in the south were still using mules...loved every minute of it.

Thanks for posting the great photo's

Mr Mike

Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Mr Mike] #283334
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I'm saving every one of those pictures. Thanks for sharing. Cool shots. Some day I hope to drive the 1963 A65 Star across the country...


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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Semper Gumby] #283347
11/11/09 4:38 am
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Fantastic pictures.. in color, and great quality..!! Thanks for sharing... that number 88 sure looks ready to race..!!!

Oh Gumby.. get your bike ready for 2014, when the BSA Rally comes to Northern California..!!

Cheers..!!

Ron

Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Ron - in California R.I.P.] #283350
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Big thumbs up on the photos Cariboo.
Like Rich and Ron say.. that last TT Bike(no. 88) is great!

Any info on that A10 Scrambler in particular would be appreciated, looks very similar to the 63 I picked up in Butte a fews years back.

Don in Nipomo


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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: D.Bachtel] #283358
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I'm not sure which one is the A10 but the mom and pop picture is of J.R. Benda in Watertown South Dakota in 1961. The big fellow on the far left behind the #88 bike is Joe Koons, an early BSA dealer. The picture was taken in Long Beach. The blue custom is a dealer in Denver. The original pictures are slides so they have to be scanned to be able to do anything with them now but generally the colour is still pretty decent.


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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Cariboo_kid] #283400
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Here are a few more from the archives.

A proud dealer in North Dakota.


A line of Goldies in Fresno.


Good looking models in San Diego.


Joe Ward in Oakland.


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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Cariboo_kid] #283407
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That last picture is almost fo J.W. is the same bike I have in my shed except I have the larger 4 gallon tank plus some chrome addons (BSA grab rail and luggage rack and front fender chrome rail). It awaits....

Love the pictures!!! Keep 'em coming. They are like Time Capsules! Really!

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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Semper Gumby] #283698
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I agree KEEP them coming.


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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: wadeschields] #283709
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Here are a few more.

The man himself, Mr. Hap Alzina


Charlie packing boxes.


Unkown dealer.


J.W. on the "Yankee Clipper", Bellflower California dealership.

I know, I don't know what to say or think either. Usually Joe had such good taste.


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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Cariboo_kid] #283761
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Soooo cool....

Reminds me of the Super 8 to VHS Beno Rodi has of the Altanta Motorcycle Club in the 50's. You wouldn't believe what they were doing on those bikes back then.

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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Semper Gumby] #283773
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Terrific pictures C.K. beerchug Have already forwarded some on to an old BSA mechanic from that era. Going to copy some for an old BSA dealer too. I'm sure they will recognize some of the people. Keep em coming. bigt
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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Skeet] #283845
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Super evocative photos.Could only be 60s US of A.
Got any more?

Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Ray Smith] #283908
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Looking through these pictures can be a bit like a detective story. One has to do a close reading of the available clues. Judging from objects in the background, advertising signs and object in the steet, the following three pictures were taken at Ed Sumner's English Motorcycles in Fresno California.


Th older fellow on the right must be Ed.



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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Cariboo_kid] #283915
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Your "unknown dealer" looks a lot like Bob Donahue, long-time BSA motorcycle dealer with his wife, Alice, in Wisconsin Rapids, WI. Their sons run the business today, Donahue Super Sports, featuring Yamaha, Ski-Doo, Sea-Doo and Can/Am Spyder. We still ride together when we meet at Daytona every year!


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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: BOB in NW PA] #284310
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(taps foot impatiently waitng for next installment)


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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Semper Gumby] #284313
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Ok, how about these for a teaser:
Before Joe worked for Alzina in Oakland he worked for a number of years in Vancouver for Fred Deeley, the Canadian Triumph/BSA/Honda/Yamaha/Harley importer/distributer.


Trev Deeley ran the motorcycle end of the business while his father and grandfather, Fred Snr and Fred Jnr. ran the Austin car importing and sales. Aside from being an astute businessman, Trev was a pretty well known bike racer having raced a Harley on the beach cicuit at Daytona in 1950.


Here's a shot from, I think, inside Alzina's shop during a dealer meeting.


This might be Norm Reeves shop in Long Beach judging from the Honda posters.


I have no idea where or when this was taken but it looks like everyone is having a good time. That's Joe on the far right.


Between his stint with Alzina and later Norm Reeves, Joe was the general manager of Hap Jones during the mid 60s.

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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Semper Gumby] #284358
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Originally Posted By: Semper Gumby
Soooo cool....

Reminds me of the Super 8 to VHS Beno Rodi has of the Altanta Motorcycle Club in the 50's. You wouldn't believe what they were doing on those bikes back then.


Where can we see that video??


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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: wadeschields] #284366
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Great shots.

Of note would be that Deeley was only one of the Canadian importers. There was Bentleys Cycle in Montreal, Percy McBride in Toronto, and Nicholson Bros in Saskatoon. Bernie Nicholson is known for his Modern Motorcycle Mechainic books.

How the distribution worked is anyone's guess. For example in Victoria there were two dealers for BSA, Les Blow and Brooklands (Reg Shanks). It would be interesting to know how the machines got to the dealers. It seemed like the Victoria dealers could get you anything you needed. I think the Les Blow machines came from Deeley but for Brooklands I am not sure.

The other issue would be how they got to the west coast. Were they shipped to the east coast then by train accross the country or did the ships come around to the west coast? It sometimes seemed that we were quite late getting the "new" machines. My 53 Speed Twin was registered as a 54 machine for some reason.

Gordo


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I see if I can rip a copy of it. Honest you wont believe what they did with those bikes...swamps, hills and quarry's oh my!

The Harley in the swamp is *priceless*.


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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Gordo in Comox] #284505
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Originally Posted By: Gordo in Comox
Great shots.

Of note would be that Deeley was only one of the Canadian importers. There was Bentleys Cycle in Montreal, Percy McBride in Toronto, and Nicholson Bros in Saskatoon. Bernie Nicholson is known for his Modern Motorcycle Mechainic books.

Gordo

There was also Frank Carr's "British Motorcycles Ltd" in Vancouver at 25th and Fraser. Prior to the war, Frank lived in Toronto and was a keen motorcyclist. During his overseas service in England he took the opportunity to seek out various motorcycle manufacturers who were not represented in Western Canada and duly convinced them that he was their man. These included AJS, Velocette, Panther, Vincent HRD and Norton. Deeleys of course were less than pleased at having to share their market with this new operation but as the immediate post war
years were a "sellers" market, both firms prospered. Both firms were also in competition with the Bill "Bud" Abblett's Indian dealership on Broadway, just four blocks from Deeley's
901 Broadway address. When Joe worked at Deeley's he raced a BSA factory racing 350 Goldstar at the Abbotsford Airport track. Whenever he had won, which was fairly often, Trev would place Joe's bike and winning trophy in the shop window advertised as the "fastest Goldstar in Western Canada". Trev's benign mood changed when, in order to be more competive against the likes of Dave Wildman's long stroke Manx and Barry Brawn's Matchless, he purchased the first short stoke Manx in Western Canada, from competitor Frank Carr's British Motorcycles. Trev Deeley was not amused.

J.W. at Abbotsford Airport aboard his 1955 short stroke Manx.


Ed Arcand, Barry Brawn G45 Matchless, Joe Ward Norton




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Re: On the road for BSA [Re: Cariboo_kid] #285747
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Being a former racer, Joe was very much involved with the sport when he emmigrated to California and, as such, attended as many races as he could. Here are a few shots of vintage Southern California bike racing.

Looks like tech inspection, Rosamond Speedway (willowsprings Raceway) December 1961


This must be the British contingent.


Nice Manx.


South African Paddy Driver and Mike Hailwood here to show the local lads how to ride

This was Hailwood's first trip to the U.S. where he competed against, and beat, mostly local and club racers on his factory Honda 250.


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