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#264979 - 07/15/09 11:45 pm What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650  
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Looks like it is BP8;is that correct?


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#264987 - 07/16/09 12:57 am Re: What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650 [Re: yellow_cad]  
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Yelllow-cad: They came with Champion N3 and there are experts here who swear by them. The N4 Champion is a hotter plug. Some favor NGK B7ES (what I use), or the cooler B8ES (more prone to fouling) -- basing the decision on several factors, including what works best for them. The web site below (see page 39-- warning, a Harley site) has an interesting brief perspective on Champion N3 and N4 heat range differences. Loads of info. on plugs, plug chops and plug reading on this web site. Good luck.

Maintenance incl. info on Champion plugs


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#264989 - 07/16/09 1:10 am Re: What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650 [Re: Florida TR6]  
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P.S. The "Read 'Em and Weep" on page 39 of the web site is worth a read. For that matter, the whole section on spark plugs (pages 38-40) contains some useful information. The experts here are the best source of info. Not sure they would agree with all that is provided in the article.


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#265026 - 07/16/09 5:27 am Re: What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650 [Re: Florida TR6]  
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If my motor is a fresh rebuild, would you think that the 8 range might be better since this is closer to the stock recommendation? If I were to go to Iridiums, would it be 8 or 7 heat range?


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#265035 - 07/16/09 8:54 am Re: What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650 [Re: yellow_cad]  
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Hi,

Originally Posted By: yellow_cad
Looks like it is BP8;is that correct?

The 'P' indicates a 'p'rojector (extended tip) plug, so not quite. Digressing slightly, an 'R' before the number indicates a resistor plug - to be avoided unless specifically required by an electronic ignition.

Originally Posted By: yellow_cad
If my motor is a fresh rebuild, would you think that the 8 range might be better since this is closer to the stock recommendation?

Ime and mho, no.

As said above, Bonnies came originally with Champion N3, NGK equivalent B8ES; however, these are quite 'cool' plugs, because the engine is 'hot' - i.e. in a relatively high state of tune. As also stated above, this makes them more prone to fouling; this can be for a number of reasons, one of which is not regularly using a lot of the engine rev. range. By definition, you aren't going to be doing that for at least a few hundred miles? wink So I'd be inclined to at least start out with N4 or B7ES.

Originally Posted By: yellow_cad
If I were to go to Iridiums, would it be 8 or 7 heat range?

From my experience here in GB - to start out with, I wouldn't bother. They're very expensive compared to the normal plugs and, until you've run the engine in, worked out your riding style and the properties of whatever fuel you choose to use, you risk having to throw away what might be the wrong plugs. frown

If you eventually decide you want to try Iridiums, ime go for the N3- or B8-equivalents - any of the unobtanium/costalotium plugs have a much wider heat range than the equivalent 'ordinaries', so are much more tolerant of bouts of low-engine-speed riding, seasonal changes in local fuel mixes, yadda, yadda. And, ime, you get a couple of extra mpg. bigt

Hth.

Regards,

#265067 - 07/16/09 2:49 pm Re: What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650 [Re: Stuart]  
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Originally Posted By: Stuart


Originally Posted By: yellow_cad
Looks like it is BP8;is that correct?

The 'P' indicates a 'p'rojector (extended tip) plug, so not quite. Digressing slightly, an 'R' before the number indicates a resistor plug - to be avoided unless specifically required by an electronic ignition.



Is a resistor plug required by an older Boyer unit?


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#265095 - 07/16/09 4:22 pm Re: What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650 [Re: yellow_cad]  
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no resistor needed for the analog boyers. also podtronics regulator does not require one(emphatically so in email from them), Sparkz regulator DOES require resistor

#265107 - 07/16/09 5:27 pm Re: What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650 [Re: Terry_tr6]  
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I use B7ES. It is a between an N3 and N4 Champion as they are not perfect eqivalents so you actually have a range of four that you can use if you use both makes. They go N4 B7ES N3 B8ES. B7E was the NGK Triumph recommended if you couldn't get an N3, according to a service sheet.

#265149 - 07/16/09 7:56 pm Re: What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650 [Re: dave jones]  
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The plugs should be the coldest possible range which do not foul.
As Stuart states, Iridium do not foul as easily as ordinary plugs, which is why I think they are the right type of plugs to use, because you can choose a lower heat range, without experiencing problems.
I started out with Denso IW22(NGK 7 range) but decided to try out the colder one IW24(NGK 8 range) and it had no fouling effect, even though it runs quite rich in some areas.
As I see it, there are 2 downsides to Iridium.
1. It could potentially "hide" a rich running condition.
(But if you check your plugs, youŽd see it)
2. The price.
(But how often do you change plugs...)


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#265157 - 07/16/09 8:25 pm Re: What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650 [Re: Ducknaldo]  
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Quote:
Sparkz regulator DOES require resistor


Clarification:
Sparx single phase regulators do not require resistor caps.

Sparx three phase regulators have had over charging problems on some installations when not used with resistor caps.
John


#265351 - 07/17/09 6:41 pm Re: What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650 [Re: John Healy]  
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I ran Champion N3s in my 1970 Tiger, and yesterday pulled them in anticipation of a 180 mile run on Saturday. They looked just a little sooty so I changed to a pair of NGK B7ES, which I gapped at .025. Couldn't find N4s at the nearby bike shop but if the B7ES run sooty also I'll look at the jetting - I forget what size main jet I have - and maybe the next hotter plug.

#265391 - 07/17/09 8:19 pm Re: What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650 [Re: Tigerguy]  
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My bike also requires N3's. I have run N3's, B7;s and B8's....

I found the NGK7's to be a bit hotter than the Champ N3's and the NGK8's a bit too cool for me.....my current N3's have about 2,000 miles on them...working like a, wait for it......champ!! laughing

Caveat emptor: My style of riding is on empty secondary roads, somewhere between 50 - 70 mph....you should factor in your style of riding when selecting plugs....

If the motor is a fresh rebuild, even with the pea-soup they call gas these days, I'd run the recommended N3's for break in....

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#265531 - 07/18/09 4:39 pm Re: What is the correct NGK spark plug for a 1970 Triumph Bonneville 650 [Re: John Healy]  
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i should have specified this was for the 3-phase sparkz unit.
Their web page does specify that you need the 5k resistor. unfortunately the documentation, at least what came in my box, said nothing about it. caused me quite a bit of troubleshooting until i discovered the solution(with help from this web site i might add).


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