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#222901 - 11/10/08 6:32 pm Podtronics DC regulator troubles  
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Well kids, it looks like my praise for the podtronics DC (Dynamo) regulator was premature. After about a year, it looks like it has failed. On top of that, the Podtronics website ( http://members.aol.com/PODtronics/DC_regulator.htm ) has disappeared. Anyone have Bob Kizer's contact info?


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#222925 - 11/10/08 7:56 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Alex]  
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Try this link. This unit is used in the UK. I met the designer/supplier this summer. The English guys say this is the best DC regulator replacement.

http://www.manortec.co.uk/dvr.htm


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#222927 - 11/10/08 8:02 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Rich B]  
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Thanks, but I'd like to figure out what went wrong before I spend another 100 bucks on one of these fragile units that go boom at the slightest sign of trouble. Maybe the ruggedness of the mechanical units is a plus here...


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#222933 - 11/10/08 9:01 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Alex]  
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This is some sad sad news ,not only did I shell out about $60 bux more than you got that one for , but I was hoping it would be as reliable as their(podtronics) ac regulator ....Is there a warrantee on these ?

So, what do you attribute the failure to , other than bad unit ?? were there any broken/intermittent connections in the armature or wiring? Everything earthed properly ? Was the unit mounted in a good supply of flowing air ? Did you add any extra heat sinking ? were you revving unusually high , wait a minute , forgot who I was talkin to . were you stuck in traffic when it went out ?
This is particularly curious for me since I am just now getting around to assembling my A-10 with one of these and your situation might help prevent the same issues for me . I was planning to mount mine in the tool box , or to the back of it if there is enough room with battery installed .

good luck

#222937 - 11/10/08 9:38 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: BONZO R.I.P.]  
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Hi Alex, that is a bad suprise! I have 3 of these babies in operation, one on the RGS(2years inside toolbox) , one on the 58 Venom(3 years inside Miller voltage reg box) and one inside the toolbox on the 68 venom.
So far so good. I always found Bob Kizer to be most helpful in the troubleshooting area. I thought I had problems with the Podtronic on the RgS but it turned out to be the generator.
I have emailed you his contact info .
Keep us posted

#222938 - 11/10/08 9:40 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: BONZO R.I.P.]  
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Well, the generator armature lost one of its pole pieces. After replacing the armature, the regulator stopped working. This probably caused the failure somehow, but I'd like to know just how. Short to ground internal to the generator? I know that the K-tec I had before fried due to a short in the wiring. I guess what I'm saying is that is sucks that these things are so fragile that anytime something else in the electrical system fails causing a short, you have to throw down another Ben Franklin for a regulator. I've never had a mechanical regulator croak from a momentary short...


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#222943 - 11/10/08 9:58 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Alex]  
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Hi alex, did you have some fusing in place. Also I am using the 6volt version of the Podtronic. Always thought I would be pushing my luck squeezing 12 volts out of a 6 volt generator.
See the email i sent you- price is down on these units.

#222945 - 11/10/08 10:07 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: RGSROB]  
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Thanks, Rob. I'll contact Bob.


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#222973 - 11/11/08 2:29 am Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Alex]  
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Alex, are you running single phase or three? I recently picked up a Nippon Denso three phase generator and Shindengen regulator for my R3 triple for $85 from a salvage yard. Of course it needed a mount to fit but it put out enough at 1800 RPM to light two 55w plus one 35w halogen lights and still charge the battery at 1 amp.
Fitting to a twin might be more tricky with the chain in the way.
You can buy new Shindengen rectifier/regulators (30 amp) for $50 online.

#222996 - 11/11/08 7:00 am Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: DMadigan]  
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Ah er Alex... did you "flash" the generator after you fixed it..?

Ron

#223014 - 11/11/08 12:56 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Ron - in California R.I.P.]  
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Ron, yes, I flashed the generator and it is charging well. Problem is, when I rev the engine, the negative termial (D-) goes up to 10 volts as does the field winding (DF). The way I understand these things, DF should go down as you go beyond 7 volts to prevent D- from getting over that figure.

DMadigan, this is a DC regulator for a dynamo (E3L) charging system.


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#223020 - 11/11/08 1:55 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Alex]  
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Hello Alex I used to run into this problem on old cars & trucks.

The real problem is that the old charging and ignition systems are to unstable for use with some modern electronic devices,
due to such things as em pulses and voltage spikes.

My advice find a nice old sturdy mechanical unit and iso mount
it and use blade fuses instead of the glass things.

Good Night and Good Luck Signed GreenMonster


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#223219 - 11/12/08 8:08 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: GREEN MONSTER]  
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Well, upon reading the following:
Quote:
The unit is protected against voltage spikes from the dynamo or on the battery line, reverse polarity
connection of the dynamo or battery, and against overload conditions by means of thermal
overload management. It tolerates short circuit of the output.

on the manortech website, I've decided to give this guy a try. Besides, it's actually cheaper than the podtronics unit...


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#224278 - 11/19/08 11:49 am Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Alex]  
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Alex seems like a cute little thing but I saw
NO info on amperage or voltage perameters.

If it does not hold up you might want to try
getting a solid state unit designed for use on
old farm equipement.

Good Night and Good Luck Signed GreenMonster


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#224378 - 11/20/08 12:09 am Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: GREEN MONSTER]  
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Alex:
You can reach bob at pinman1@aol.com

He is leaving for vacation in a couple of weeks so I would contact him right away.

Bob had the Podtronics web site on AOL. AOL pulled the plug on all of the web sites the end of last month.

They are about to pull the plug on the picture Hosting also.


#224402 - 11/20/08 5:20 am Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: John Healy]  
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Alex, I had sent you a PM with the same info as above.... Bob is one of the good guys.. he will help you I am sure...

Cheers..!!

Ron

#224622 - 11/21/08 6:44 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Ron - in California R.I.P.]  
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Thanks guys. That explains why he didn't answer my email through his old AOL contact. If it's salvageable, there are other bikes in my future that could use the reg.


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#224801 - 11/22/08 5:28 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Alex]  
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So, whats up with Cypress Ignition LTD that makes the Podtronics Regulator/Rectifier? I have three, one just took a dump. Since there is now way to contact the company for tech advice what good are they. If this is a legit business you would think that they would have a phone number to call for advice, etc. If the website is no longer active it looks like business is no longer in operation. Pinman1@aol.com dosen't work. Also the instruction sheet that comes with the unit dosen't have either a phone # or an address to contact the owner/company. Is this anyway to run a business?
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#224923 - 11/23/08 12:54 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Tiger73]  
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I contacted Bob through the aol address and he responded within 24 hours. He offered to test the unit for me, though based on the symptoms, he agrees that it looks like the unit was wrecked by the generator failure.


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#224989 - 11/23/08 9:17 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Alex]  
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Tiger: Bob is still in business!!!

Like a lot of people who used AOL to host their website, bob's site was dumped when AOL shut down their web server. I was lucky enough to be warned and down loaded all of the data I had stored, including all of the pictures I ever posted to Britbike.

Bob told me that he didn't find out that AOL was shutting down the server until after they did it. He is working at getting the site up on another server.

Bob uses dealers and distributors to handle sales and tech information... what happened to your dealer?
John


#225031 - 11/24/08 1:58 am Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: John Healy]  
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John,
Look, I don't know Bob personally and he might be a great guy. He had a web site at one time and I'm not sure whether he sold to the general public or just dealers. As best I can tell, I purchased it from Skips Brit Bikes Plus over the internet. Like a lot of dealers, you not included, he probable has no idea how to trouble shoot a Podtronics since he is mainly in the business to sell parts.

It would just be nice to be able to contact the manufacture who knows all about the unit by phone to trouble shoot it versus sending e-mails back and forth. Especially for electronic devices.

No harm intended, just frustrated.
Ken
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#225032 - 11/24/08 2:33 am Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Tiger73]  
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Just curious Tig, do you call Rick Wagoner, CEO of General Motors, when the regulator fails in your car? No harm intended, just confused.

email him and get over it... The new web site will be up soon.

If you want service, use one of my dealers!
John


#225067 - 11/24/08 3:40 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: John Healy]  
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John,
I tried to get in touch with Rick but I kept getting a message that he was busy and to call back later. I now understand that he was flying on his Lear Jet to the congressional hearing with a tin cup in hand for a bailout.

Anyway if you could PM me a list of your dealers, I will use one of them next time I need something. If I can't reach them for assistance then I can bother you.
Ken
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#225088 - 11/24/08 5:30 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Tiger73]  
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OK guys... I guess some of us are more puter savvy which is OK..

Yes, I too lost THREE WEB sites that I was running on AOL. And FYI, when you lose the WEB site you lose the name, etc. Right now, if you do a WEB search for Gold Star Ron, you may get the AOL info, and not my new WEB site.. that will take a while. BUT, the e-mail address still works. If Bob did not respond to your mail, it may of gotten caught in the AOL spam filter, which is an antique. I have pals that can not send me mail... The good news is they (AOL) reduced the monthly price to 5 bucks for e-mail, so I am keeping my old e-mail address.

Seems like Alex got in touch with Bob OK.. and there ya go..!

I mailed Bob (I have known him for years...) and he was surprized that the Pod Business was still going so strong... after all how many Brit Bikes are out there..? So he will get his new WEB site going, and all that... I am fairly puter savvy and it took me about 60 hours of work to get a basic WEB site up with a bunch of pictures... including a LOT of hours of Tech assistance on making it all work.

Oh yes, I now have a true Domain Name of Gold Star Ron...

Now what did we do before there was the internet..???

Cheers..!!

Ron

#225093 - 11/24/08 6:01 pm Re: Podtronics DC regulator troubles [Re: Ron - in California R.I.P.]  
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Originally Posted By: Ron - in California

Now what did we do before there was the internet..???


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