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Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V #222382
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I would like to get some recommendations for a sealed battery for my 77 Bonneville T140V .Yusas??? Any ideas what and Where? Thanks Lowell

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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: lwc] #222394
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This is the easiest question ever - There is only one as you asked for best and not cheapest - The Odyssey PC310. It's an AGM, and well, if you google it and read the spec, you'll just buy it. No need to recharge your battery over the winter, plenty of Ah and fits better than std batts because it is lower so you don't get any chance of a short circuit under the seat.

IMHO 10/10

Blapper redwine

PS - NEVER use old tech sh*te wet cell batts, it is only a question of time before 'oh-oh'.....

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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: Blapper] #222399
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re ps- Why not? You are putting them in old tech sh*te bikes! laugh

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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: dave jones] #222424
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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: JubeePrince] #222464
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Lowell -
Not sure about "Odyssey", but small terminal AGM is definitely the way to go. You can read about them on GABMA.

The issue then becomes one of finding a size to fit a Brit battery box. AGM batteries are mostly used in commercial applications and those sizes don't correspond very well to motorcycle sizes. There are AGMs that fit, you simply have to look for them. You'll want the largest physical size battery that the box can safely hold.

Some padding may be required. May I suggest Ethafoam, the very dense white foam blocks that are typically used to ship computer monitors and such. It's fuel and oil proof, and won't collapse over time.

bigt

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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: RF Whatley] #222490
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check out a firm called Batteryjack on the internet..i bought an agm for my bike two years ago from them for $35..still doing great..they list the dimensions of their batteries


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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: raf940] #222498
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Hey Dave, It's not that I'm ignoring you or anything, but - no - wait - it is! laughing

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The issue then becomes one of finding a size to fit a Brit battery box. AGM batteries are mostly used in commercial applications and those sizes don't correspond very well to motorcycle sizes. There are AGMs that fit, you simply have to look for them. You'll want the largest physical size battery that the box can safely hold.


There is no issue if you get the odyssey PC310 - it fits better than the standard battery.

RW, you should find out about the Odyssey, you might like it -in fact, I bet you can't find anything wrong with it....

Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: Blapper] #222539
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Well I was going to say that the price is wrong with it Blapper. I had a quick look on eBay for prices and the PC310 came up at 60 in the UK. For comparison my GSX-R750 uses a YT12A-BS and they can be had on the same site for 38, quite a bit less. But ...

... my GSX-R750 spends most of the year connected to an Optimate consuming mains electricity to keep the battery in top form so perhaps the extra initial cost of the PC310 isn't so bad as, generally, it doesn't need a conditioner.


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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: lwc] #222566
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I have used Westco sealed AGM batteries and they seem to work well. Considerably cheaper than Odyssey.


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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: Tobin Peever] #222586
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I was only joking there! Anyway, the sealed batteries seem a sensible choice. My last wet battery was finished after 5 years after a slow decline. The trouble is on a Triumph unit the battery has to be completely knackered before you notice anything because they still go ok if it is completely flat, in my experience.

Dave

Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: dave jones] #222660
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Derry,

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There is only one as you asked for best and not cheapest


I did warn you.........

Dave, I have a brand new German wet battery if you want it - It isn't going anywhere near my bike! Looks like it's headed for the dechetterie (dump);

redwine

Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: Blapper] #222681
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I noticed a photo in the service manual that shows the original battery, and it's trapezoidal in shape (actually more like a rectangle with the two front corners beveled off), and it fits the battery holder exactly. I doubt that anyone will find a battery of that shape, but shorter is definitely better than the standard one-size-fits-all-British-bikes battery (12NY?), so that you can use the factory battery strap. You probably won't find a battery that's as wide as the original, so it will have to be padded out, as was mentioned above. I've found that computer wrist pad also works, been in there for a few years and hasn't deteriorated yet.


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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: dave jones] #222688
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Running an electronic ignition? Not using your bike daily? Hate the thought of what will happen if your Battery Tender shorts out while you are at work and burns your storage building to the ground?

The cost of an Odyssey is 1/2 that of your high tech ignition... and will work that ignition after far longer "sleep" than anything else out there. CHEAP insurance and priceless peace of mind.

More argument anyone?


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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: trumpetloon] #222706
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Trumpetloon- I'm not arguing. Sealed batteries are much better. I was just saying that the battery doesn't make a lot of difference to a standard 12 volt bike of 60s vintage because it runs ok with it flat.

Blapper- you are going to have to tow a nuclear power station to run all your mods! laugh

Dave

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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: dave jones] #222708
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Now you've got me thinking Dave..... grin

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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: Blapper] #222714
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I think, as with everything else, you gets what you pays for, but suppliers are very unlikely to get from me the 80+ that they seem to be asking for an Odyssey PC310 here in the UK (however good it's supposed to be), a further offput being its special charging requirements.

My 2002 Royal Enfield Bullet (Electric start) is still wearing its original 6yr. old battery and the "experts" would have me believe that lead-acid accumulators don't get any more "low-tech sh*te" than Indian-made ones !
I'll also add that in 4yrs. of my ownership, this battery has never been charged externally/off the bike, or topped up, for that matter, and that on one occasion after standing outside for 5 months through the winter, started the bike "on the button".
I've been telling myself for the last 2 years that it can't last much longer, but when it does finally expire, my first choice replacement will be a Varta.

I've already replaced the batteries on my Triumphs and other Enfield with (wet) versions of these at less than half the cost of an Odyssey; Varta are indisputably the #1 European make and offer a comprehensive range of wet, gel, and AGM types of motorcycle batteries, although I am unsure of their availability in the US.

A further thought - the 10/12 year claimed life expectancy of the Odyssey may well exceed my own! (But certainly goes beyond how long I expect to own/ride my bikes).
So mebbe it's just a matter of "how much you wanna spend?"


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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: Blapper] #222715
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Blapper, Think "cold fusion". Jack

Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: Lorenzo] #222719
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I agree with Lorenzo- I use wet batteries because they work ok and are cheap. As I said, mine was in for about 5 years and it looked like it had been in there for a while when I bought the bike. I replaced it with another wet lead acid battery and it is fine. I am just talking about my experience and not saying anything against any other battery.

Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: dave jones] #222730
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My experiences with wet batteries obviously vary from yours. Also, my standards may vary. Would I put a container of corrosive acid on a bike that I have spent many thousands on so that I can save a few poxy quid? Nahhh. Not while there are better alternatives. There are no 'special charging arrangements' either. confused What is special is the extremely low self discharge that makes them perfect for occasional use classics.

Now I have to get back to mocking up my trailer to put my cold-fusion reactor in.

Blapper redwine

Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: Blapper] #222765
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Blapper- You know I've got to get another one in! Don't you know that a cold fusion reactor is going to be one more mod on your bike that will never work? laugh How many times have I told you not to listen to crazy suggestions on the forum? grin You stick to my suggestion of using nuclear power it is contemporary with our bikes and proven in service. grin

Here's another mod for you. Remove the petrol from your bike as this can be used. Remove the entire bike, and replace with a Daytona 675. Replace the petrol. smile

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Yeah Dave, but a straight forward reactor is just too simple!

redwine

Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: Blapper] #222792
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Blapper, You had to know Dave would be against any reactor not fired with points! Jack

Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: Blapper] #222793
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"My experiences with wet batteries obviously vary from yours. Also, my standards may vary. Would I put a container of corrosive acid on a bike that I have spent many thousands on so that I can save a few poxy quid?" - blapper
Odyssey's own website says "Odyssey batteries employ dry cell AGM technology to contain acid".
Oh good, this acid is a special non-corrosive type, then.
A few poxy quid? My experiences with disposable income obviously vary from yours - 40+ is still a lot of money to me, and so my standards will vary, too. If I had a bottomless purse, as you appear to have, I might well have a whole different outlook.....

"There are no 'special charging arrangements' either". - blapper
One Odyssey retailer's website says "Please Note: If your vehicle is going to be left for a long period of time, this battery must be conditioned otherwise it will die", and yet another asserts "this battery cannot be trickle-charged". Nothing out-of-the-ordinary there, then.

I freely admit that these new technology batteries may well be better, by the way - but as long as they are so expensive, I must remain unable to offer an opinion based upon personal experience, as opposed to simply what I read about them.

May I also second the Daytona 675 suggestion?

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Re: Best Battery for 77 bonnie T140V [Re: Lorenzo] #222798
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Lorenzo- Steady on, fella! Blappers ok!

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S'ok Dave.

Hey Lorenzo, take a chill pill - 40 is the price of an average meal out for two (check that out the next morning - you don't get much for 40 quid there....) laughing

40 doesn't buy much re-polishing and chroming these days, ask others here.

I will add too that you eyesight may vary because my owners manual says the exact opposite of everything you said.

Not charging your std lead acid over the winter? That would be lazy and daft, but not charging your Odyssey? Normal and supported by guarantee. "Trickle charge with a 3A charger if stored for more than 3 years"

I can see we aren't going to agree matey - let's talk about oil instead laughing

Blapper redwine

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