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Also, do you put locktite on the clutch hub screws #216266
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? I broke 2 bits with the impact driver getting them out, didn't look like there was any loctite previously. But now's the time to do it right... Should I locktite 'em? Again, '68 bonnie.
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Re: Also, do you put locktite on the clutch hub screws [Re: slofut] #216268
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I assume you're talking about the screws that hold the cush drive together? Loctite, peen, do everything you can to keep those suckers from coming out. The factory did.


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Re: Also, do you put locktite on the clutch hub screws [Re: Alex] #216271
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Thanks Alex, yep the cush drive screws. I'll locktite and stake 'em.
Thanks much,
Bill


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Re: Also, do you put locktite on the clutch hub sc [Re: slofut] #216281
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BILL: Blue loctite on clean threads is sufficent. If you are able to "stake" the plates into the screw slot the plates are not up to the job. The plates the screws retain should be hardened.
John

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Re: Also, do you put locktite on the clutch hub sc [Re: John Healy] #216288
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You're right John, I could tell the plate was hardened before I started. I still probably screwed up as I used red loctite. I'll be drilling the screws out next time. This operation (replacing cush drive rubbers) should be a right of passage for apprentice Trump mechanics!

Would you mind offering some advice on the earlier cyl head question?
Thanks,
Bill


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Re: Also, do you put locktite on the clutch hub sc [Re: slofut] #216311
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Loctite red is promoted as a PERMANENT lock and requires heating to over 400 degree F to allow it to release. Trying to remove a screw or bolt retained with red without heating risks stripping the threads or breaking the bolt. As most hardened metals will start to soften at just over 300 degrees F heating these hardened parts is not a viable option. It is frustrating trying to remove flywheel bolts or sludge tube plugs that have been loctited and one risks running it.

Blue loctite is designed for items that will be serviced in the future. It also fully releases at over 400 degrees F, but the bond will release using normal tools without heating.

There is NOTHING on these motorcycle that requires RED LOCTITE. I hate red loctite, you might just as well braze the bolt in place.
John


Re: Also, do you put locktite on the clutch hub sc [Re: John Healy] #216365
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I've seen little holes drilled in the tops of the screws with mechanic's wire twisted through all the screws. Seems to help a lot.


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Re: Also, do you put locktite on the clutch hub sc [Re: John Healy] #216376
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OK,
I'm psychologically damaged now, (I'm serious) I'll not tell you where I've put this stuff, it's gonna keep me up at night 'till I get it processed.
...and I was worried about spending 900 bucks on a head that won't fit in my frame.



Originally Posted By: John Healy
Loctite red is promoted as a PERMANENT lock and requires heating to over 400 degree F to allow it to release. Trying to remove a screw or bolt retained with red without heating risks stripping the threads or breaking the bolt. As most hardened metals will start to soften at just over 300 degrees F heating these hardened parts is not a viable option. It is frustrating trying to remove flywheel bolts or sludge tube plugs that have been loctited and one risks running it.

Blue loctite is designed for items that will be serviced in the future. It also fully releases at over 400 degrees F, but the bond will release using normal tools without heating.

There is NOTHING on these motorcycle that requires RED LOCTITE. I hate red loctite, you might just as well braze the bolt in place.
John



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Re: Also, do you put locktite on the clutch hub sc [Re: slofut] #216382
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Hey John,
All is well now! The crank stud came out with no big problem! (see why I didn't want to admit where I put this stuff) I'll need a stud/rotor nut and tab washer, and a beer. A cush drive can be replaced if necessary and when the time comes. I'm tossing the RED locktite! Thanks John.
Bill


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