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A65 Hornet advice needed #213631
09/14/08 12:49 pm
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So there I was, hanging out in the garage minding my own business when a neighbor stops with a present. He has a 1967 A65HA that he no longer needs/wants (has had it over 29 years and has done nothing withit/to it.) The bike hasn't run in 20 years but is mostly there. It has the original rims/hubs - dunlop alloy with rear QD. The front end is original except for an extra 6" in the tubes. Tank is 68 or so lightning and seat looks stock. The motor is complete except for the right side kicker cover. It has compression and will turn over ( 4th gear and turn rear wheel). The original monoblocks are there and even open/close with the throttle. The bike has been in climate controlled storage for the last 20 or so years.
So - what do I do with this Hornet? I'm more of a Triumph guy and am not sure I want to get on the BSA learning curve. I guess my options are:
1. sell the bike to a BSA nut who will refurbish and ride the damn thing.
2. trade the BSA for a triumph.
3. learn about BSA's and do the refurbish.

Anyone one to pipe in and give an opinion? TIA Cooper


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Re: A65 Hornet advice needed [Re: gcooperlll] #213633
09/14/08 1:31 pm
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Coop,
If it were me I'd keep it. Hornets are kind of unique. They have thier own little following and there are a few on this site to help you get it back in tip top shape. As a Triumph owner myself it was an interesting process just to learn about BSA's again. Some things are easier to fettle than the Triumphs and obviously some things are harder. Whatever; Keep it. Have fun with it & ride it like hell. That you won't regret.
Skeet


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Re: A65 Hornet advice needed [Re: Skeet] #213636
09/14/08 2:04 pm
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aww cmon over to the dark side cooper you go bsa ya may never go back smile smile


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Re: A65 Hornet advice needed [Re: aprophet] #213653
09/14/08 7:04 pm
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Cooper,
If the rear rim is alloy, then it is not the original, as the Hornets came with steel rims. Is the front rim a WM2 or a WM3? Does it have a tool storage box rear of the oil tank on the right side behind the side cover, or is that area all oil tank? Just trying to get an idea of what model Hornet it is.


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Re: A65 Hornet advice needed [Re: Gary E] #213679
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Gary et al - front rim WM2 dunlop MIE alloy - rear WM3 dunlop MIE alloy - both rims also inscribed with MIE in French. There is a toolbox on the left side reward of the oil bag. Vin is A65HA XXXX(forgot numbers) followed by a Y. I'm not an expert by any means but I've found references to the 67's having alloy rims front and rear and I thought I saw a 67 Hornet at the British museum with alloy shoes. At any rate it's cool to have alloy dunlops - don't see many. Any suggestions as to where one might find a front fender and tank? Does anyone make a metal tank - not fond of glass. Cooper


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Re: A65 Hornet advice needed [Re: gcooperlll] #213690
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The tool box would typically be on the right side behind the oil tank on an original setup (east coast model). Not much on the left side since Hornets did not use a battery. No battery tray there on originals. Both rims were steel with the east coast model using a WM2 up front.

Alloy rims are actually quite common as they came on Spitfires of all three years. Hornet, Wasp, Firebird and Spitfire tanks all are fiberglass. Easy to repair and re-seal than metal tanks. No rust issues either, and no re-chroming neccessary. I'm not aware of any metal tanks shaped like the original fiberglass models.

Does the Hornet retain the original high pipes and et coils? How about the compression ratio. Still have the 10.5:1 pistons? Repro front fenders are available.


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Re: A65 Hornet advice needed [Re: Gary E] #215017
09/23/08 10:53 am
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Re: DUNLOP rear rims on HORNETS
My '67 East Coast HORNET which I got in quite original condition also has a rear DUNLOP alloy rim and a steel front (don't know if WM2 or 3).
Wonder if that was available as an option?
Mine had low pipes, Single seat and after a test ride I swapped it against my only 3 year old HARRIS Bonnie and never regreted it.
Just my 2cents regarding BSA vs. TRIUMPH


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Re: A65 Hornet advice needed [Re: Jeff B] #215311
09/25/08 4:00 am
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Jeff B,

Based on your description it was not very original. How do you know it is an east coast model? The prior owner might have changed some items. If you got bought it new, may be the dealer changed the rim, seat and may be the pipes. What size oil tank did it have. If it had the large oil tank with the low pipes then it is a west coast model.


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Re: A65 Hornet advice needed [Re: Gary E] #215349
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'cause of the small (standard) oiltank, don't think someone would
change the West Coast oiltank for a standard one.
Of course a lot of things have been changed from the original spec as it came with aftermarket headlight brackets (Bates) and silencers.Sure the Dunlop (genuine) alloy rim could have been added
later- anyway in my opinion it did not spoiled the bikes originality. Original doesn't necessarily mean "as it left the factory" to me.


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Re: A65 Hornet advice needed [Re: Jeff B] #215530
09/26/08 2:58 pm
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It would be difficult to change oil tank styles as the welded-in frame mount saddle for the oil tanks are different.

Everyone has their opinion of what is considered original, I guess. One could say a bobber or a chopper is original if it has the original frame and engine.


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