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Cost to Compete? #206724
08/18/07 5:04 pm
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Cost to Compete: Please chime in with comments......

Question comes up all the time. I haven't kept good records but here are some areas to remember. Oh, and Trials is probably the cheapest route.

AMA 20 yr
AHRMA 35 yr
Bike 2,000 Should get you a bike ready to ride. You'll start changing later.
Entries 35 per event
Park Entry 35 varies
Camping+ 35 Sometimes free, sometimes you just gotta stay in a Motel
Gas* 135 per event
Food** 80 per event - no alcohol
Bike Repair? 100 per event
Boots 100 used off eBay
Helmet 100 plus (Yes, we all have helmets, but these are pretty specific)
SOOOO $2,675.00 to enter one event.
AND THEN $600.00 for each successive event

+ Camping assumes you have normal gear already
* I seem to travel 800 to 1000 miles for each event @ 20 mpg, 3.00/gallon
** Figure each event takes up a 3 day weekend
? Plugs/cables/clutch plates/jets/tires/clean stuff/lube/chain/gas

Other Factors:
1. Good relationship with your boss - your going to take a lot of Fridays and Mondays off, or at least not be at your best.
2. Very understanding S.O. - your going to owe her big time.
3. Just a note - proof of medical insurance is required for all AHRMA events.
4. Own a fairly reliable truck or trailer.
5. Realize a dream and be happier than you have ever been.


Alan
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59 BSA Bantam (Trials)
78 Triumph Bonny (UPS)
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Re: Cost to Compete? #206725
08/18/07 5:22 pm
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I just got back from Bonneville. The better half wanted to come along so I had to buy a cheapo RV ($3000) and after that I decided not to keep score. It was a 1600 mile round trip. If I'd thought about it I would probably never have done it but it was a more than likely once in a lifetime trip and I came away with a new class record. That bit makes it all worthwhile.


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I came away with a new class record
Had room in that RV for the M20 I see my friend!


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Re: Cost to Compete? #206727
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You gets off cheap Alan! Its quite a bit more expensive overall to road race - even in the Proddy(?) class after taking into account mods to be competitive, leathers etc and entry fees are higher ($65 per race). Mind you, in my case anyway, would be quite easy to return my converted road bike back to road use again so didn't have to fork out for the bike itself.

Otherwise my other expenses are similar to yours Alan except that I have even longer distances to cover so add in the cost of a mid journey motel stay sometimes (I knows all the cheap motels by now laugh ).

And have similar issues with my boss no matter how I try to hide it. 'Yer going racing again aren't you?" he sez no matter how casually I ask for a few days off from the salt mine.

Still - its all worth it laugh

Re: Cost to Compete? #206728
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Thats right John. The M20 saved a fortune on brakes for the RV. On steep descents we'd tie a rope to the M20 and throw it out the back door. It slowed us nicely and saved wear and tear on the brakes.


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Re: Cost to Compete? #206729
08/19/07 10:54 pm
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The front end of almost all the main classes in NZ Classic racing turned into a how many $ to you want to go situation several years ago. Its competition - someone always goes to the next level and in the end that's what its all about.

The 250 cc is still reasonably cheap and 350 cc was cheap until now but seems to be looking toward a step up in performance. In most classes there are two or three expensive rocket ships at he front and then the rest.

Comsumables (mostly tyres at NZ$750 pair)and annual entry fees in 500 Clubmans would come to about NZ$ 1650 minimum per year. Thats for about 5 meetings and 16 races. You can get cheaper tyres but you won't be at the front. Then you have traveling and accomodation depending where you live.

In the racing class the competive G50s and Manx Nortons run a good NZ $100,000 a time. Even in Clubmans there are bikes out there with NZ$ 50,000 inside them. New castings of entire motors. Modern suspension systems inside Roadholder forks.

But there is still a lot of fun to be had even if you are not trophy hunting. There are lots of races within races and you can have an upper mid field machine in Clubmans for maybe NZ$ 6000 plus your own time. There are a few winners that do it cheaper but they substitute time and skill for money. Twenty hours a week (and sometimes a lot more)in the machine shop.

An NZ $ is about US$0.68 cents. (Today anyway - it is in melt down at the moment)

Re: Cost to Compete? #206730
08/19/07 11:29 pm
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John,

Even with the exchange rate your numbers sound a little higher than ours. I do agree on the hours spent. I spent a good 20/hours/week for about 6 months before the season started and after the first couple of events. I now (try to)spend 10 hours each week riding. Something a Trials rider can do that a track rider can't.

I do my own machining and welding (with help)plus all assembly/disassembly so my build/repair costs aren't what someone elses might be.

No one in the states carries parts for Bantams so everything has to be ordered from England - prices aren't bad but the shipping sure is. I try to keep a stock of spares on the shelf. Will build a couple of engines over the winter to be ready for next year.

Do I sound obsessed?


Alan
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Re: Cost to Compete? #206731
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Alan, did you forget about these?

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Re: Cost to Compete? #206732
08/20/07 12:35 pm
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J,

For some reason your picture/url whatever didn't make it.


Alan
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Re: Cost to Compete? #206733
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Talking about 2 or 3 expensive machines at the front, then everyone else....

.... wonder if the old idea of having "claiming races" like they used to would ever catch hold again?

This is where, at the end of the race, anyone can buy the winning bike for a set amount. Makes sure that no one is winning just by putting megadollars into exotic alloys, etc.

That way, everyone's encouraged to not go mad on equipment, and try to win with skill?

Lannis


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Re: Cost to Compete? #206734
08/20/07 2:58 pm
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J,

Email me direct.

Lannis,

If I had to compete on skill I wouldn't get in the main gate....but the other side of that is I probably have less money in my bike than anyone I compete against.

They can't have my bike... I've got to much "time/effort/love" in it.


Alan
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Re: Cost to Compete? #206735
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Alan -

Well, it's a two-edged sword - If you don't win, they can't have it anyway!

Lannis


I stopped believing for a little while this morning. Journey is really going to be upset.
Re: Cost to Compete? #206736
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Man, how do you guys afford that high dollar racing? I don't feel so bad now that I've read your write-ups on cost of competition...

For me the budget flattracker was the way to go. Not including the build, leathers, $teel $hoe and yearly AMA:

A two gallon can of 110 will last me 2 to 4 races depending on track size. Class entry usually $25.00, and sometimes it comes with a pit pass or two included, pit passes are like $15 each, NFTRA day membership $10. So for $50.00 I can race! The last County Fair I went to was $25.00 and it included me and my bro's pit passes, no AMA or KATVA membership required. Cheap and FUN!!

I've had to shell out a bit for mx gear for the shorter tracks, but sure is cooler to wear on the hot days. Most tracks are 3 hours or less driving time, but next year I hope to maybe hit Davenport and Mid-Ohio...

Not too costly, tons of fun, the vintage racers are all super folks! Come have some fun in the dirt!

Kyle :bigt:

Getting started in flattrack racing...

J,
Sorry you had to miss Gardner. Will you guys be at Paola on Sept 15th?


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1979 Powroll Honda XR250 "Dallas Baker" flattracker
1975 XL350 project bike
Re: Cost to Compete? #206737
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Here's my rundown to get started:
Bike:$430
Parts&tires:$980
Leathers:$550
Helmet:$300
Gloves:$50
Boots:$120
Race school:$450
AMA membership: $20
AHRMA membership: $35
Race fees (1 race): $230
Van rental/fuel: $180
Getting wood your first race: priceless

This was for my first race at Grattan last year. Much more has been spent since.


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'53 Gold Flash
'67 Royal Star
'71 Rickman Metisse
'40 Silver Star
'37 Rudge Special
sixtyseventy Lightboltrocket road racer...and many more.
Re: Cost to Compete? #206738
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Alan, I'll send you a photo and list directly.

Kyle, don't know for sure yet, will just have to see how things work out.

Re: Cost to Compete? #206739
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Kyle,Our rr fees are more but we get tons more track time then you guys get on the dirt.I can't believe how little practice you all get.Then the weekend gets real pricey when it was like last weekend,the worst weekend I have ever had.Wish I had stayed home.Thats all Im going to say because its behind me. :rolleyes: Tim


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Re: Cost to Compete? #206740
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You can definitely compete down here at a reasonable price if you chose the class

- but the front row of the premier classes are serious big ticket. Take a look at this photo of a front row at the last Classic Festival at Pukekohe

[Linked Image]

#88 Sam Smith on a Lodge ES2. 18 years old. NZ 2007 600 cc Champ, Australian Historic Title champ, 2005 Australian GP 125 cc runner up. Wayne Gardner on a Walmsley Manx draughted BEHIND this bike at the Ozzie historic champs a couple of years ago. How can a push rod ES2 run with a Manx ? With a huge amount of skill, time, money and development.

# 75 Dave Cole. On Ross Grahams G50. Four NZ National titles, 500 classic Lap record at Eastern Creek. Australian Historic Title champ

# 198 Paul Dobbs. ABSAF. Broke the Manx TT standing start Lap record at 98.8 mph in 2006. Lots of success in Europe

#7 Ginger Molloy Bultaco. 2nd World Road Road 500 cc Champs 1970. Plus a 3rd in World 125 Champs and fifth in both the 250 and 350 World champs. Still very quick and a very pleasant helpful guy.

These guys are among the best in Australia & New Zealand and are competitive around the world. Their bikes are very special and I doubt there is a bike on that front row it wouldn't cost you close to NZ $100,000 including development. (Maybe the Bultaco but it didnt win?)

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John, you keep getting my blood worked up with these pictures.I have the bike to run up front and skill but the money is another thing. :rolleyes: Sponsors please :bigt:


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phantom, come to Oz and you have a place to stay, (not near any of the race tracks though, about halfway between Sydney and Melbourne). Both Philip Isl (Moto GPs there in October) and Eastern creek are excellent tracks. I'm guessing you are talking about a 500, but you'd need a box big enough to bring the 750 as well. Maybe someone knows when the classic races are on out here, its usually around the start of the year I think, they might also know what the logistics might be.


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Ahrma 500 premier lineup at Talladega:
[img]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb152/beezalex/Kershaw07/premier1sm.jpg?t=1187724395[/img]

#1 - Pat Mooney - '62 Manx
#309 - Tim Joyce - '62 Manx
#11x - Larry Poons - '71 Seeley Manx
#864 - John Rickard - '62 Triton


A smattering:
'53 Gold Flash
'67 Royal Star
'71 Rickman Metisse
'40 Silver Star
'37 Rudge Special
sixtyseventy Lightboltrocket road racer...and many more.
Re: Cost to Compete? #206744
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Good point about the track time... I'll tell you what though, what time I do get is intense!! eek

Well worth what I have been paying... :bigt:

Kyle


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Johnm, I remember when Ginger Malloy raced here in the states. I believe he qualified first at Daytona in 1970 or so on an H1R Kawasaki. He then raced a few club events in our mid-Atlantic region. I was new to it all back then and was absolutely awestruck by how fast and smooth he was.

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That would be about right. He rode for Kawasaki and Bultaco and 1970 was the year he was second in the World Champs to Agostini.

Ginger Molloy must be in his 60s now and shows up to several of the meetings every year. He rides Bultacos and a Goldstar.

There can be an elite crowd even in classic racing but he does not hang out in that group and is very happy to mix with mere mortals. I did not start competing until late in my 40s and at my very first meeting, first practice I lined up on the practice grid and he was beside me!!!

Good grief!! Of course he just disappeared into the distance but it was a bit of a surprise to be in such company the first time on a track!!

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John,
Funny you mention that... My very first race was the same way and I'll never forget the feeling. Bill Snyder has dominated the 375cc and under class and sports the #1 plate lined with the years he has carried the plate, from the 80's until now.
He's a nice enough guy, a little cantankerous. My very first time on the track I pulled up to the double white line and he was next to me on the right... but the look in his eyes was very different than the look he had in the pits! If I remember right he lapped me in about 6 laps... blew by me so fast it scared the hell out of me!

One memory I'll never forget as long as I live!!

Kyle beerchug


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1979 Powroll Honda XR250 "Dallas Baker" flattracker
1975 XL350 project bike
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Yes those quick guys sure wake you up as they whistle past your ear.

Practise is the worst. Your out on a little 500 thats having a bad day and some triple wails past at about 40 mph quicker !! eek


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