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Re: AHRMA Entry Levels #206237
06/06/07 12:05 am
06/06/07 12:05 am
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The AHRMA Classic 650 class is perfect for a BSA or Triumph guy looking to move up. And there is alwayd BEARS.


CLASSIC SIXTIES 650: This class is intended for 1960 era 650cc OHV or 883cc sidevalve machines, and like design. All requirements under rule 10.4.3A apply. Among the eligible machines are:

All British and European 650cc OHV machines of the period

Harley-Davidson KH55-cubic-inch sidevalve

Kawasaki W1 (must meet all class requirements, including carburetion)

NOTE: Historic "specials" in Classic Sixties 350, 500 or 650 must be submitted for eligibility.

10.4.3A REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS FOR CLASSIC SIXTIES

a) Cylinder bore may not be increase over .080" for singles and .060" for twins.

b) The stroke must remain stock.

c) All machines must use period-type carbs or AMAL MkI Concentric (600, 900 or 1000 series).

d) Gearboxes must be mechanically restricted to 4 speeds.

e) Primary drive may be original-type chain, with chain guard (oiler must not operate). Belt conversions are encouraged, but must be fully enclosed and hidden from view (see rule 9.7.2j).

f) Oil must not be deposited on the track.

g) Brakes must of the period—two-shoe type drum. Later model BSA and Triumph drum brakes are allowed. (Norton Manx may use original four-shoe, 7-inch front brakes.) Minimum wheel diameter is 18 inches; maximum rim width is WM3. OHC machines must use minimum 19-inch wheels, front and rear.

h) Forks and rear shocks (or rigid rear end) must be of the period. Ceriani forks are prohibited.

i) All machines must be GP or Clubman racers in essentially factory-standard trim.

j) Throttles must be self-closing. A handlebar-mounted kill switch is encouraged.

k) Fairings or streamlining are not permitted, except for original fork-mounted number plate-cowlings. The front number plate must be parallel with the front fork angle.

l) All machines must use period-style low exhausts only. Pipes must pass below the gearshift spindle. Velocettes may use a higher, OEM racing configuration exhaust. Twins must use two separate exhaust pipes (no two-into-one exhausts).

NOTE: Classic Sixties classes are run together but scored separately. For 2007, Classic Sixties is under probation and may be eliminated for 2008 if participation does not improve.


Jordan
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AHRMA, USCRA, VRRA, WERA #719
1972 Seeley Commando F750
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Re: AHRMA Entry Levels #206238
06/06/07 12:15 am
06/06/07 12:15 am
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Thanks for your suggestion Jordan. Unfortunately think the rules would exclude us unit-engined HW Proddy guys from the Classic 60's class.

As for the Bears class, as you already know, needs a lot more powerfull bike to be competitive than us Proddy guys has at the moment eek .

BTW. Congrats for your impressive placings at Gingerman. Your investment is beginning to pay-off bigt

bigt

Re: AHRMA Entry Levels #206239
06/06/07 2:57 am
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Thanks Bodge, I had some gearbox issues at Gingerman, but enjoyed the track I was loosing 4-5 seconds per lap with false neutrals,but thanks to thin grids, I managed to stay on the podium.

The Seeley is light, and handles well but is under-powered. Once my new motor is built (hopefully ready to race at Mid-O) I should be in the running.

I would love to see some of the proddy guys move up. You can always build a Commando smile


Jordan
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1972 Seeley Commando F750
http://www.nycseeley.com
Re: AHRMA Entry Levels #206240
06/06/07 3:12 am
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They changed the classic 60's 650 rules to allow any 60's era bikes. So something like a BSA Lightning would be legal. 4 speed gearbox and era carbs are the big ones.


Jordan
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Re: AHRMA Entry Levels #206241
06/06/07 12:15 pm
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Ist choice of class I would probably move-up to, if I ever do, would be Sportsman 750 followed by Bears as 2nd choice. Do have a T140 in the works with this in mind - progressing very very slowly though... frown

Course same bike would qualify for both classes as I understand - just a matter of removing the fairing for the Sportsman class and changing number plates of course. Tom Sharp/The Phantom do this now and again with their Triumphs just to show who's boss in both classes laugh Mind you them Nortons, including yours Jordan seem to be getting faster and faster. Seems like the Phantom might have more competition next season. My hero can handle it though bigt

As far as Classic 60's is concerned I will re-visit the rools but pretty sure that they don't condsider a 1970 T120/TR6 like mine as like design to early 60's separate engine/gearbox Triumphs.

bigt .

Re: AHRMA Entry Levels #206242
06/06/07 12:23 pm
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Bodger,

I am indeed submitting rules change proposals to make a reasonable allowance for the displacement of brit twins in VSL including overbore. I am aware that I'm actually on a 671 cc machine.

As far as Classic 60's is concerned, I think a clarification is needed after last year's change to 60's ERA bikes. This would imply that anything up to 1969 would be legal.


A smattering:
'53 Gold Flash
'67 Royal Star
'71 Rickman Metisse
'40 Silver Star
'37 Rudge Special
sixtyseventy Lightboltrocket road racer...and many more.
Re: AHRMA Entry Levels #206243
06/06/07 12:32 pm
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Quote:
Originally posted by Britbodger:
Unfortunately sand baggers the likes of Sir Alex, not to mention Juicetits, comes along and ruins the whole thing mad
Sand bagging?
Now who would do such a thing?


Piles and piles and piles...
Re: AHRMA Entry Levels #206244
06/06/07 2:10 pm
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Alex/Bodger/Group,

Along the lines of improving interest. If the AHRMA web site had a 'forum' where these issues could be discussed I really think it would help. Also think that a good 'always updated' listing of position with type of bike would increase interest.

Maybe if they can get all of the legal issues behind them things will improve.


Alan
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78 Triumph Bonny (UPS)
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Re: AHRMA Entry Levels #206245
06/06/07 2:44 pm
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Unfortunately AHRMA don't have a forum as you have said, however, there is one dedicated to AHRMA matters (http://www.saveahrma.com)that was generated by an AHRMA member and further improved by "Big Bob".

I think that they have done a great job on it bigt .

Re: AHRMA Entry Levels #206246
06/07/07 2:18 am
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60's era would include later bikes that were first produced before 1969 as well.

If you are going to run Sportsman 750 you might as well run F750...Few Japanese bikes in the class.


Jordan
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AHRMA, USCRA, VRRA, WERA #719
1972 Seeley Commando F750
http://www.nycseeley.com
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