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#202556 - 05/15/05 2:39 pm BSA B34 Dirt Track Bike questions 4U!!!  
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Hi there,

I'm in an early stage of starting to collect parts for a Gold Star Dirt Tracker but I'll use it as a legal Street Bike!

Therefore I'll have to ad brakes lights etc.
It is however hard to find the parts so I'll be open to all suggestione from you helpful visitors wink
This is my project inspiration photo!


I have been able do find a BB34GS engine which I belive is an ex scramble enginge but rebuilt as "touring" nowadays.

Question for the engine expert panel: Please give me comments on this engine, my intention is not to race.
Anybody out there who knows where to find a complete DBD34???

I'm looking for a BB32R frame ( Short curcuit racing frame as on the pic above)

Well infact I can consider to buy a complete Dirt Tracker similar to above pic anyone out there who knows if there is one for sale???

I'm off now and will be back on wednesday May 18th. bigt

Thanks for your help in advance.... clap


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#202557 - 05/15/05 4:26 pm Re: BSA B34 Dirt Track Bike questions 4U!!!  
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Morgan; I would try getting a frame from K&S in the UK as original frames are a little hard to come by. The BB engine would be just fine for a road machine after all they did well at Daytona (slightly upgraded) and had a few TT successes. Not quite the go or look of a DBD but usable I would think. "Touring" could mean anything but would normally be CR and cams. Even with modern fuel I would use a 9:1 piston and some reasonble cams, maybe 65-2454 and 65-2446. The cams are so easy to change that you could really play around to get the type of performance you can live with. You need a TT or GP carb setup to really look the part.
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Thanks Gordo,

Yes I know of Nick Simpson and K&S. However I may find it hard to register the frame here in Sweden if it's new made. Completely different rules. So I will try the longest to find a genuine old frame.

There was one imported to sweden many years back but I cannot trace it. So you American members keep your eyes and ears open... laugh

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#202559 - 05/17/05 2:52 am Re: BSA B34 Dirt Track Bike questions 4U!!!  
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Morgan,

I am doing something similar to you, but from the opposite direction. I have a BB32R frame, but no engine. I intend to build and race it over here in the USA. I will probably buy a Pierson or ABSAF engine when I have the money, unless I can find a DB or DBD with a history first. I have a few parts collected, including a handmade aluminum lower fork clamp, made in So Cal back in the day to skirt the AMA rulebook. Several years ago Ramon Perez in California was selling his second, "Silver", Goldie Racer. I believe it had a replica frame. I don't know what ever happened to it.

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Hi Morgan .. It's good to hear you are 'still on track' wanting/needing/lusting over another Gold Star!

An idea for you ... You mention locating a BB34 engine. Perhaps you should consider building up a rigid framer using a ZB, B31/33 frame and the BB engine? With the early BSA pieces being interchangeable this would not seem too terribly difficult. Granted it would not be as 'trick' as a bike with the later duplex dirt tracker frame, but a racer replica from what's now called the "dinosaur era", of the pre 1951 dirt trackers would have a lot of appeal it seems to me.

My vintage racing friend, Ken Lighthouse also here in northern Nevada, has "Dino Tracker under construction now. However he's building it using a ZB34GS Gold Star engine. Hopefully he will have it completed soon. His problem is the time/money it takes building and prepping his 'fleet' of vintage road racers is so demanding.

Anyhow ... It would seem the older rigid lugged frames should be fairly easy to find in Europe, especially in England. Tens of thousands of those old singles were ridden for transportation there in the early years.
What's great about building up and owning a 'special' is you are not tied to a particular model or year and you can create what you want out of pieces that are affordable and more readily available. And then spend the rest of your riding days changing things around to match your latest whim.
Fun stuff seems to me.

Now that all being said .. I want to build up a "Hot rod", ZB34 using the pieces of the much worn '51 ZB34, iron engine, plunger frame bike I have. Last year I traded for a good front frame section to replace the bent and crude repaired piece. However I'm still looking for a good rigid rear frame section here in the US to replace the plunger. Anyone help me?
I've also been slowly accumulating some B31 and B33 engines and parts.
Lets see ... build up a 'killer' high compresh, big valve, hot cam, revy Iron Engine, run it on alky and terrorize my Goldie road riding friends!
aahh geeze...

Sonic Twin ... Tom Horton the the very fast (ex GN) vintage dirt tracker in CA who we race with/against, has bought Ramon's GS tracker. He told me at Willow a couple weeks ago he has the chassis refurbished and ready and is only waiting for the engine to be built up. He should have it running soon we hope.
Anything I/we can do to help you get your tracker up and running? No 'extra' engines to offer however ..

I'm getting ready for another trip to California in a few days. Joel will be (hopefully) racing the 19v Goldie at Santa Maria next weekend.


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#202561 - 05/18/05 8:46 pm Re: BSA B34 Dirt Track Bike questions 4U!!!  
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Hello Morgan. A friend is considering selling his BB32R flat tracker. The serial number is 29 digits earlier than mine. I will contact you off line with his phone number.

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Dave,

I am glad to hear that Ramon's bike will again be in such capable hands. I was fortunate enough to race with Ramon a couple of times, including the evening he crashed, and he has a very clean style. I also wanted to congratulate you and Joel on your results at Willow. George and Gary are both very fast, I know, I have tasted their dirt more than once (in the same race even). My BB32R is still years away as cash is somewhat thin on the ground around here. However, I am always on the look out for genuine So-Cal racing Goldie bits as I would like to recreate a bike as close to a genuine Ascot bike as possible. In other words, as close to Dennis Mahan's (Neil Keen's) bike as possible. Love to find an old tank or pipe from one of Gunter's bikes or something like that. I'll never be as fast as you and Joel, but It would make a neat racing tribute to those who came before.

Thanks.

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RKCNC,

Thank you for sending the phone # I'll give him a call. However buying a complete racer, shipping it to Sweden, get it thru customs and then strip off the wheels and a few other things which cannot be used for roaduse needs a faily low price in the first place. We'll se what comes out of it. Thanks again.

Dave,

Thanks for your comments, you are right the B31 B33 rigid frames are not hard to find over here But But But..... It's not the same at all, the BB34R frame are just the frame I want/need long for... wink

Sonic Twin,

How about letting your frame go me ...... laugh
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#202564 - 05/19/05 10:51 pm Re: BSA B34 Dirt Track Bike questions 4U!!!  
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Quote:
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Thanks Gordo,

Yes I know of Nick Simpson and K&S. However I may find it hard to register the frame here in Sweden if it's new made. Completely different rules. So I will try the longest to find a genuine old frame.

There was one imported to sweden many years back but I cannot trace it. So you American members keep your eyes and ears open... laugh

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why cant you have common old bsa numbers cut out
of a scrap frame and welded into a k&s frame? or similar?

#202565 - 05/20/05 2:55 am Re: BSA B34 Dirt Track Bike questions 4U!!!  
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Well.. I know it may not be what you want.. but I bet you can find a B31/31 swing arm parts bike pretty cheap. Rigids on the street can be hard on the olde back... I know.. it is not what you want...

But.. a "proper" single making proper noises is what it is all about..!!

Cheers..!!

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Hacksaw,

Yes I could do just that but #1 I'll first try hard to get what I want and if I cannot find then I I'll reconsider.

Ron,

I've ridden rigid B33's and other bikes so I know what's it's like. Have had S/A DBD34 too so I can compare. It's just that feeling have been growing for a few years now and it appeals to me so much. I'll try and go for a proper BB34R frame. Please keep your eyes open.
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#202567 - 05/23/05 4:43 pm Re: BSA B34 Dirt Track Bike questions 4U!!!  

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Morgan ..... I have been active asking around looking for a GS tracker for you. Last week I quizzed Dick newby the GS guru/collector in California. He gave me a contact that I'll follow up on it next week when I get home later in the week.
I had a chat in the pits at Santa Maria yesterday with another GS racer asking about rigid frames. He's been racing vintage dirt track with a swing arm frame. He's been looking for a rigid frame for years and has run into the same situ as we did. Many are sitting around but the owners won't sell. aarrgh.

But Do Not despair..

You've mentioned a concern registering a bike in Sweden "without a paper trail", of ownership... I suppose you are aware that many/most/all(?) dirt trackers in the US were never registered and won't have a "title" of ownership for use on the road? Some 'creative' paperwork will be required in most cases. This is 'doable' in the US, but may be more difficult for you. I dunno.

"If it were easy, everyone would be doing it".

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Dave,
thanks for your efforts I'll look forward to that contact of yours. clap

Here in Sweden we need to have an old fram to be able to register as an oldie, with a new frame new comes modern rules mad

I could hammer in BB32R xxxx in an new made frame and register but it's not my intention.

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#202569 - 05/23/05 6:51 pm Re: BSA B34 Dirt Track Bike questions 4U!!!  
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Morgan,

I'm afraid my frame would not be of any help to you in that regard, as the numbers have been filed off in the past. I have been told that this was not an uncommon practice so as to skirt the AMA rule that required one to race the same bike as was qualified. If two bikes existed, having the same numbers, a rider could race the main with a fresh machine. This may present you a problem with any genuine frame you find as there could exist another bike of the same number. Although, as stated above, most were not registered from new and so there is no paper trail. Also, my frame, and any old flat track frame, has been used hard. It will require some work to bring it back to like new condition, and even then, the axle tabs are not of BSA construction.

I would encourage you to look at K&S as they seem to do very nice work and could even custom build a frame for your project that would better suit your needs as a street bike (higher rightside peg, brake attachment, et al.). He also makes oil and fuel tanks.

There may also be some legal loophole allowing you to "replace" a period frame provided you have a Goldie engine and a title that matches the engine.

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Morgan ... Some more on the frame ID numbers and registration issues here in the US ...

Until some years ago the engine ID number Only was shown/used on all(?) of the MSO, "Manufatures Statement Of Origin", of the Brit Bikes imported into the US. The frame number, which was always different was not listed or mentioned.
The MSO document issued by the manufacturer which the selling dealer submits to the US state vehicle registration department, DMV, to initiate the issue of a title of ownership and to register the vehicle, thus beginning the "paper trail", on the vehicle.
When a vehicle is sold the seller 'signs off ownership' on the title and the buyer than submits the title for application for registeration in his name.

Some US DMVs have a bit different procedure, but what I've described is the most common procedure I believe.

After a period of time if a vehicles registration is not anually renewed, unless the vehicle was reported stolen, the state DMV purges the vehicle data from it's records. They assume the vehicle has been wrecked, destroyed or whatever.
This should explain your hearing of US bikers submitting for a "lost title", here in the US to reregister an olde bike that has sat in someones shed unregistered for 30-40 years and has now been 'reborn'.

If you were able to buy a GS engine from here in the US with a matching title, you should be able to use this document to register a bike in Sweden. Perhaps this is also the case with Euro documentation years ago?

Also ... A set of number and letter metal stamps sells for ~ US$30 ...

Always remember the vehicle registration "goons", (idjits?) have a self appointed goal in life to make things difficult for you, thus displaying their pettyass authority and try to foil your registration of a vehicle!!
"Work around", this situ, understand the rules and laws and You tell them what they must do..

And Never take the word of a mere clerk on what can or cannot can be done as they are very lazy and cannot ot will not get involved with anything causing them more work or heavan forbid make a decesion.
Make sense? ... I hope it may be of some help.
dave - NV

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"Always remember the vehicle registration "goons", (idjits?) have a self appointed goal in life to make things difficult for you, thus displaying their pettyass authority and try to foil your registration of a vehicle!!"

You can say that again! Without boring with you with all of the details I had an extremely frustrating experience with the Houston Texas DMV trying to get a Texas title for a bike that that I had original bill of sale for (I'd owned it since new)and proof of registration in another state (Florida)etc etc. BTW Florida didn't issue a title. Not good enough for Houston DMV though! So had to take the Alabama route.

Now that I've got that off my chest, how did you do at Santa Maria?

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Hi Guys, Just to throw my monkey wrench into the mix. I have a DB34 race motor, I have a engine spec sheet from the GSOC. I have givin up on a BB32R frame. Since I am going to build a road bike out of it I will trade it for a DBD GS 3XXX motor that is sopposed to be in my frame. So if anyone is interested let me know. Jeff

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Hey Morgan check out eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...013217&rd=1

Its not exactly what you were looking for, but it pretty close and real cheap, and ready for the street.

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Thanks for your tip Sonic Twin,

I actually bought a BB34GS engine today so I'll pass on that tip.

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#202575 - 06/08/05 5:27 pm Re: BSA B34 Dirt Track Bike questions 4U!!!  
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Morgan,

Is this one too new for your project?

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#202576 - 06/09/05 8:24 pm Re: BSA B34 Dirt Track Bike questions 4U!!!  
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Thanks JT441 for your tip, I checked and it has to many wrong parts for my project, but thanks for looking out for me. smile


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#202577 - 06/10/05 2:38 am Re: BSA B34 Dirt Track Bike questions 4U!!!  
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Hey Morgan, a BB based GS street tracker might turn out to be an interesting and welcome variation, and you can always go back and put a DBD in it later. Meanwhile here are a few inspirational photos from Davenport 2003.


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Morgan,
"There's Gold in them thar hills"(just a little westerner expression)
Little story for you. In August of 2002,rode my first ride on a Gold Star. Just happened to be a rigid frame.

Now, mind you i was already entertaining the idea of building one, but this sealed the "go for the gold" or "must find my own Gold Star project or bust" journey.
P.S.
I've alreday asked the owner to sell the one in the picture, but he is not ready. I'm sure there are more out there waiting to be found. bigt


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Morgan; Nice looking engine! For a street machine it will be very nice. Is it running?
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Thanks everyone for all tips I have gotten so far,

I'm working on one lead and hope it could be something but from the semipoor image I have many tabs, lugs etc are grounded off.

Please keep on looking! I need the lot and it's just not available here in Sweden
Thanks again all smile

Gordo, yes it should be working, a friend restored it in the 1987 and then it was sold to the guy i bought it from, he changed the engine to a DBD34 so this was available to me. Don't think the engine has runned more than 4000 miles after the restoration.


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