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#200919 - 08/20/07 7:06 pm 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Hi, did the 72 Rocket 3 come in any colour other than Burgandy?
When I was 17 I bought a brand new 72 Rocket and it was burgandy. Over the weekend I was on eBay looking at Triumphs Rocket IIIs and a 72 Rocket 3 came up, and I bought it. Its from a fairly well known vintage Triumph dealership in the states. He swears it's original but it's purple. I belive the Tridents were purple that year but did any Rockets make it out the door in Regal Purple?

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#200920 - 08/20/07 7:55 pm Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Saw that one go so your the lucky guy. Wondered about that purple myself. Should be easy to tell once it's in hand. Stock paint kinda sticks out with all it's imperfections.


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#200921 - 08/21/07 3:49 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Hi Keith,

There are two ways I know a non-catalogue colour could be 'original':-

1. Small Heath was known to be happy to turn a bike out in any colour, as long as it/they was/were (a) standard BSA one(s), although I'm not so sure about Triumph colours.

2. I know that both the Triumph US importers supported dealers if a sale depended on the bike being a particular colour - aiui, the tank and 'guards would be shipped off to Bob Leppan to be resprayed. I assume the BSA importer had the same, or a similar, arrangement.

Alternatively, I'll speculate that, after 35 years, the actual paint isn't original at all, but some resprayer's match to the faded original - you'd be surprised (or maybe not) how many 'original' purple and cream T160's I've come across over the years. :rolleyes: wink

Hth.

Regards,

#200922 - 08/21/07 7:52 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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I'm thinking something may have happened to required a paint job and the BSA Burgandy wasn't available and the 72 Tridents Regal Purple was.
Or somebody just liked purple more than Burgandy. It duz look good.


#200923 - 08/21/07 9:00 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Very good.


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#200924 - 08/22/07 1:26 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Whether it is stock or not, I think she is beautiful.


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#200925 - 08/22/07 2:24 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Purple is the correct color for 72 Rocket 3s. It is the same color as the NOS 72 B50SS I own.

#200926 - 08/22/07 5:01 pm Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Hi Chris,

Quote:
Originally posted by Chris-SC:
Purple is the correct color for 72 Rocket 3s.
Errr ... 'fraid not. Without wishing to be at all sarcastic, may I draw you attention to the question that started this thread, and the smilies that follow my statement about purple and cream T160's - the 'Burgundy' is the same on both models. wink

Hth.

Regards,

#200927 - 08/24/07 1:47 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Well I asked Don Hutchinson if he had the stock colour for it and after looking up old ads and his records, it is a dark Burgandy sprayed over a gold base.

If it did come purple then one of Stuarts ideas of how it came that way makes sense. When I get it home I'll take the tank and side covers off and see if I can tell anything.

I don't think it's fade Burgandy but I've sure been wrong before

#200928 - 08/25/07 12:46 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Hi Keith,

Quote:
Originally posted by keith w:
I don't think it's fade Burgandy
I was thinking more that it's been resprayed, but the resprayer matched a faded original Burgundy - this is certainly the way T160's end up purple 'n' cream. wink

Quote:
Originally posted by keith w:
I asked Don Hutchinson
it is a dark Burgandy sprayed over a gold base.
Hmmm, interesting ... that'd make it slightly different from the T160, in that the latter was/is over a silver base.

Regards,

#200929 - 08/25/07 4:32 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Stuart, this might be an example of the fading your talking about??? Then sombody tried to match it or more likely what they thought it started out as.

I can see somebody getting purple from that colour, eh?

#200930 - 09/02/07 11:17 pm Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Hi Keith,

Quote:
Originally posted by keith w:
this might be an example of the fading your talking about???
Yeah, that's the sort of thing I've come across before although, as I say, one has to allow for Small Heath's willingness to paint any bike any standard BSA colour, whether or not it was catalogued for the particular model in a given season.

Hth.

Regards,

#200931 - 09/07/07 6:38 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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I found this 1972 ad on this site. http://www.acay.com.au/~shanep/pages/catalogs.html Lots of good old ads for all BSAs.


#200932 - 09/11/07 1:24 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Stuart:
Hi Chris,

Quote:
Originally posted by Chris-SC:
Purple is the correct color for 72 Rocket 3s.
Errr ... 'fraid not. Without wishing to be at all sarcastic, may I draw you attention to the question that started this thread, and the smilies that follow my statement about purple and cream T160's - the 'Burgundy' is the same on both models. wink

Hth.

Regards,
Here's a faded '72. I think Stuart has hit it on the nose. clap
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2961631840067263753fcmXZi
You can see how they came up with the color of the one in the auction. (above)

#200933 - 09/11/07 5:34 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Believe it or not BSA made 200 in this colour.

#200934 - 09/11/07 10:03 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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eek Oh, My!! Say it ain't so! Mr. McBain, you simply must be mistaken eek

Mechanical quirks I can accept - and even appreciate - as being eccentric British thinking, but outright, flagrant Bad Taste is more difficult to handle. Lordie - I need cool just to look at it! Even those smooth, flowing lines are hard-pressed to counteract the glare!

#200935 - 09/12/07 5:27 pm Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Hi Brian,

Quote:
Originally posted by Brian G.:
eek Oh, My!! Say it ain't so! Mr. McBain, you simply must be mistaken eek
frown I'm afraid McBain's right about the colour (and the pinstripe was red eek ), although I'm not sure about 200. The colour followed a request by the Italian BSA importer that his bikes weren't red - he didn't want 'em being mistaken for MV's and the like. :rolleyes:

I've said it before, but I'd give a lot to have been around when the Italians levered the tops off the first batch of crates. laugh laugh laugh

Hth.

Regards,

#200936 - 09/12/07 6:06 pm Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Maybe they hitched a sidecar to them and used them to deliver gelato? laugh

#200937 - 09/12/07 6:46 pm Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Stuart
that's right the said owner of the Lime green R3 showed me the book
explaining the Italian connection. Michael Angelo must have turned in his grave ! As for quantity shipped maybe 50 ?

eek

#200938 - 09/13/07 2:05 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Now you know your in trouble when it takes Stuart pointing out that the stripes were red to see them. I can just make that out on the bottom of the tank in the picture. 50... how many got left this way? Now if you put on a half helmet with a sun visor the little old ladies would get out of the way...


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#200939 - 09/13/07 10:27 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Now that I've had time to settle down a little, I still think it's excruciating to look at; nonetheless, it still looks far better than those green plastic Kawasaki None-ja thingies... :p

#200940 - 09/13/07 3:32 pm Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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cool The lime green BSA Rocket 3 is my favorite stock color, although I like the purple as well. No offense to all of you with a red R3 but red is my least favorite color in the rainbow.

I can't/won't wear a red shirt, drive a red car or ride a red motorcycle. I painted my 1969 R3 with a newer multi-color flip flop paint job that is, yes you guessed it, Lime Green/Purple/Silver depending how you look at it. Not quite as intense as on the 1996 Ford Mustang Cobras (Chameleon I think they called it) but when the sun hits it just right or under some street lights to me it looks very good. I would have no problem riding a R3 with the Lime Green paint scheme (but I would have to remove those red pinstripes). laugh


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#200941 - 09/14/07 4:59 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Hi,

Quote:
Originally posted by norbsa48503:
Now you know your in trouble when it takes Stuart pointing out that the stripes were red to see them.
Much as I would like to claim eagle-eyesight, I suspect mine's much the same as that of most people reading this Board; I just happen to have seen a couple in the metal. wink

Quote:
Originally posted by McBain:
As for quantity shipped maybe 50 ?
I have it in my mind it was just 10; however, as my mind's pretty much like my eyesight, I've emailed the TR3OC's Archivist for greater accuracy. laugh

Thinking about it (dangerous, I know), it occurs to me that either the Italian BSA importer seriously annoyed someone high up at Small Heath, or the bikes were intended for a publicity stunt. As I mentioned before, Small Heath was certainly happy to turn out bikes in any standard BSA colour - e.g. aiui, the first batch of NZ R3's were in a variety of colours (including one all black); afaik, Lime Green wasn't a standard BSA colour; Moto Guzzi had painted a number of V7's a shade of Luminous Revolting Green too.

Just a thought ...

Regards,

#200942 - 09/20/07 12:55 pm Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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You can't look at the Infected Booger Green Rocket3s in isolation: in 1970, there were some pretty bizarre colours coming out of the BSA Group: Spring Gold, Jacaranda, and that awful dark red that they inflicted on the Bonneville.

There's no reason that BSA's own painters should have been immune to the obviously really good drugs that were then floating around.

Cheers,

Costa

#200943 - 09/21/07 12:22 am Re: 1972 Rocket 3 Colour  
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Hi Costa,

Quote:
Originally posted by Costa Z:
in 1970, there were some pretty bizarre colours coming out of the BSA Group:
I can't remember whether you've said you are from/have been to GB but, if neither, it might be difficult to appreciate how two places so apparently connected both geographically (compared to Canadian distances) and financially could be so different.

Although Triumph had been part of the BSA Group since 1951, and both the Triumph and BSA marques were part of the Group's Motorcycle Division, even in the late 1960's and early 1970's, they were rivals to the point of hatred. Ridiculously, that rivalry was permitted to affect the Motorcycle Division's bottom line and, as the Division became a larger and larger part of the Group as a whole, that effect of the rivalry was clearly a major factor in the ultimate downfall of the BSA Group (a fact carefully glossed-over by certain well-known senior managers otherwise treated well by history).

Quote:
Originally posted by Costa Z:
Spring Gold, Jacaranda, and that awful dark red that they inflicted on the Bonneville.
... are all Meriden (Triumph) colours; apart from (I believe) just Triumph Olympic Flame (which, if I'm correct, is BSA Firecracker Red), none were used by Small Heath (BSA). Likewise, I've tried to be clear in my previous posts - it seems that the Small Heath and Meriden paint shops had different policies, and Meriden (almost?) never painted non-catalogued colours.

Quote:
Originally posted by Costa Z:
There's no reason that BSA's own painters should have been immune to the obviously really good drugs that were then floating around.
laugh

Hth.

Regards,

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