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BSA B44E #19214
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Hi Guys, I've just bought the remains of a 66 B44E. It consists of the engine which has compression and thats about all and the frame. Everything else is either not original or missing. Question is, Restore or brake. Matching numbers mean it's probably worth restoring and i've always wanted one. Sounds like i'm talking myself into an expensive restoration sooooo, All parts required, Forks, yolks, lights, wheel hubs, Tank, loom etc,etc. I could do with manuals aswell and of course, any advice you can give me.
Thanks in advance
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Re: BSA B44E #19215
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Restore, I started with a frame and a set of crankcases and the build has commenced with a target of being ready for the Manx GP in Aug. On the island in 2006 there were no B44's or B50's just C15's B25's and B40's. There are very few in the UK as they were export only from 67 so its best to get the missing parts from the US but the engine and a matching frame are the most difficult items so you have a good start.

Early Victors eg the B44E share a lot of parts eg hubs etc with the comp C15's and the WDB40 which helps. Harness you get from TMS in nottingham but they don't list a B44E one, as I am going the 12V with battery route I got their TR25W 69 harness. Lights are the generic 575 headlamp and a normal tail.

Get Rupert Ratios book on Unit Singles for insight into the engine, PM me for leads on getting a mnaual.

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Thank's for that Kommando, i might have the same starting point as you yet, untill i pull the engine apart, i wont know what's good and what's not. Any parts you have left over, give me a shout and any problems too, so i know what to look out for.
Cheers oily

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You should still be ok, apart from the crank and the crankcase the lower end has a lot of common parts with the B25 eg the complete gearbox. On the B44 unique engine parts you will be in competition with the Pre 65 scramblers who need the engine for fitting to their replica frames but this also means whats broken can be fixed by the people servicing them. If the big end is gone you have Alpha Bearing still in business to fix it.

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Your making me feel better by the second. Don't think it'll be finished as quick as yours though due to the old time/money conundrum. Next couple of days, i'll start stripping the engine whilst i'm looking for other parts. Seems i can't pm you at the moment Kommando. must be due to the fact i've only just registerd (thought i'd better in view of this new project)

Re: BSA B44E #19219
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They are not even that common in the US. Seemingly most of the 66 Victor's were used up. Fork stanchions and solo seats are very difficult to find.

I started with 1 piles of 66 Victor's and ended up with 1 complete bike. Good luck.


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Re: BSA B44E #19220
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Hi Oily,

Well, congratulations! I just finished a TR25w/B44 cafe bike, and it's a really neat project. She lives in the shed with my B44E (Britney), who is an original 66 with the short seat and front fender (mudguard) guaranteed to fracture. Then there's Big John, another B44VS destined to lug a sidecar. And of course, Baby B., a B25 who may end up with a B44 engine. My point? Well, it's lots of fun working on a unit single--everything is so light and easy to get to, and also---it's very addictive! Next to the bikes are shelves of old, dead, dying, fairly new, used and even a few NOS bits, and a couple of engines in various stages of either repair or disrepair, depending on your defination.

Anyway, don't forget that Triumph TR25's are a great source of non-engine bits. And with the prices asked for BSA twins recently, the singles are enjoying huge popularity, which means that parts are available if you really want to do it up right. Personally, I just think if it looks right, and runs well, then it's OK. Gemini, made from two bikes, is far from original, and looks neat. Works for me.

I'd offer parts, but shipping from Washington State to the Mother Country would be prohibitive. Here's hoping you find some sources close to home!! (Oh, and post some photos, OK? We all like to see progress....)

Barb, The Shed Girls, Big John, "XS" & Tiny Toddler


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Re: BSA B44E #19221
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Oily -

The "BSA CD" available on this site, the factory manual, and Rupert Ratios BSA Singles book is what you need for documentation. Many on this list can help with confusing things that aren't clear or covered.

Are you planning on going back stone stock? The BSA front end and brake is OK, but if you're not constrained to those, there are European and Japanese front ends that look real clean on a BSA-based special.

Also, if I were doing a bike from scratch, I probably wouldn't use the stock wiring loom. Most of them have extra wires for options, for compatibility with other models, and for ease of installation in a factory environment. With a ratcheting crimp tool, the proper connectors, and a soldering iron, you can do a much better job yourself than the factory did.

BUT if you're going Original, there are lots of parts and help available to do that too!

Lannis


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Re: BSA B44E #19222
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Wow, looks like i came to the right place, Thanks for the replys guys. Just bought R.R's engine book. So it has begun, the descision is made, Restore/rebuild it is then. I'll get some photo's on here in the next day or two. No, i'm not too concerned about it ending up stone stock. As long as it looks good/right, i'm all for mod's that improve handling and reliability.

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Here's a photo of my '66 Victor restoration, which is going very slowly:



I found someone to help me with the motor so I'm hopeful that I'll fire her up in 2007!


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Re: BSA B44E #19224
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I found this out in the driveway the other day....



The next morning it had moved up to the front porch




Looks like it could become a running motorbike this year. Little bit to sort out yet, lotsa spacers and cups to clean up the Van-Tech front end and Bultaco wheels.


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Re: BSA B44E #19225
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Looking good guys, I'll be very pleased when mine get's to that stage. Probably sort the engine first though as it's the most expensive chunk and will be the deciding factor in which way this project goes.

Re: BSA B44E #19226
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Hi Guys,

Don, is that the Van Tech front end you got from me? Wow!! You've done a beautiful job with it!! Can't wait to see the finished bike!

My bike Gemini (one of the "September" bikes in the calendar) is the rest of the bits left over when I sent the forks, plus quite a few others.

Nice to know nothing is wasted, huh?

Great looking bike!

Barb, the Shed Girls, Big John, "XS" & Tiny Toddler


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Britney the B44
Bella the '69 T120
Pip the Triumph (I have "Great Expectations!")
Jaelith the '77 XS650/chair
The unnamed '79 XS650 with...potential
Millie the R80 BMW--she's "Thoroughly Modern"
Re: BSA B44E #19227
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Yep Barb, that's the better half of Gemini fitted up to 66VE eBay frame.

Many thanks to Paul Shuddick (queensiron441?) for allowing the canibalization to occur and to you Barb for going to the trouble of buying half a bike and shipping me the rest!

441Steve turned some spacers for a better fit of the Timken tapered rollers. The frontend was fractured up top at a few places so I had to fabricate, gusset and straighten a bit. I think it's OK now, won't know for sure until I get it up and running.

The swingarm bushings turned out to be the biggest *****, but I was determined to salvage it for the extra 2" that was added to each arm.
It has a 55 1/2" wheelbase with 11 1/2" of clearance at the moment (unladen).
Looks like a loper to me.

Those Bultaco Akronts come with stainless spokes, pretty cool, shaved a bunch of weight right there but lost a bit of brake surface.
Trade offs...

High Point tank meant for a Husqvarna, and a mystery seat. Still need a rear Stainless fender to match the front one.

I've got a real clean 70VS engine that should bolt right in.

This is the first non matching numbers bike I've ever tried to resurrect, started with just that $30 frame and swingarm. I'm going to do my best to get it "legal" here in Ca. Just need some tabs welded to the forks for a Super Oscar headlight!

Don in Nipomo bigt


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1963 BSA Gold Star Spitfire
1964 Triumph T20SM
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1966 BSA VE
1968 Bonham Tote Gote
1969 BSA VS
1970 BSA A65L (with a "Y")
1972 Husqvarna 450 WR
1986 Yamaha TT 225
1987 BMW K75C
Re: BSA B44E #19228
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Whilst i awaite the engine book to arrive, i've orderd a short seat cover and foam from Leightons, just need a seat pan now. The plan is to cut down a duel seat pan but what am i looking for? C15 should fit and maybe a b40? anything else? must be a few seats from that era that had the same front fixing. How easy is this job? (or not)

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C15 and B40 are the ones to go for and they should be indentical, front bit stays the same, rear is modded using the foam as a template.

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Thanks for that Kommando. Just gotta find one now.

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Hmmm, Mr Leighton now tells me that C15/B40 seat pan front brackets are not the same as B44 front brackets. Says they are close but not the same. Any one shed more light on this please. Also, any one with any leads to a c15/b40 seat pan?

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They are close enough but only having one in front of you will show you the diff.

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Good enough for me. Still searching for a seat pan.

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Hang in there, Oily. I've been looking for the same for a while now. Almost had a C15 seat from eBay last night. Missed it by $3.50. It went for $214.00. Still got some irons in the fire that I'm going to follow thru on. Good luck.

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Just bought a B40 wd seat complete from a guy down the road. Paid 15. Just gotta wait for the foam and cover from leightons now

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BMc44...if it will make you feel any better...you missed that seat by a LOT more than $3.50. eek

I wish I had enough of them to pass around but they ARE a hard find. Give it a bit and if you don't come up with something in a month or so....dig this thread back up and give me a shout.

Keep looking...they're out there. bigt

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Nice machines Don and oily, is that an IRC or Avon Gripster on back wheel? Looks like it may help at speed when dodging cars on the shoulder of highway LOL!
Steve


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Hey Steve!

Bridgestone Trail Wings, they were take offs from a Yamaha XT. I think the series design started with Honda Mini Trails...

Sharp looking pattern that I couldn't resist... and cheap enuf for me at $30 for a pair. Highway rated and the bead isn't all that tough, easy on and off with the alluminum irons.

I'm always looking out when I ride, too many close calls. It's hell out there on the front lines for a dispatch rider.

Don in Nipomo bigt


1956 Zundapp KS601EL
1960 Greeves Scottish/Hawkstone Velorex 560
1963 BSA Gold Star Spitfire
1964 Triumph T20SM
1965 BSA C15T
1966 BSA VE
1968 Bonham Tote Gote
1969 BSA VS
1970 BSA A65L (with a "Y")
1972 Husqvarna 450 WR
1986 Yamaha TT 225
1987 BMW K75C
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