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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187772
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Just got bac home last nite at about 1030pm from
Mid Ohio Via Buffalo NY (vacation)bac to Chicago area. It my understanding from talking to a friend of mine (who was a vendor) there was a notice in the vendor pack TRIUMPH was going to not be nice to ANYONE THERE that had the old logo on stuff for sale whatever it may be. I picked up a new catalog from a retail supplier (I believe British Cycle Supply) that had the old TRIUMPH logo pasted over with the word Triumph. It is my feeling the only reason the Bloor crew is doing the 50th Edition Bonnie is to make MONEY period.
By the way can any one tell me why the "Golden "Jublie" was SILVER?
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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187773
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KADUTZ sez:

"It is my feeling the only reason the Bloor crew is doing the 50th Edition Bonnie is to make MONEY period."

Gee, why else would they be in business? :rolleyes: Profit for a manufacturing company is NOT a dirty word. eek No profits, no new Triumph's, it is Business 101.


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By the way can any one tell me why the "Golden "Jublie" was SILVER?
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Presumably to copy off the 1977 'Queens Silver Jubilee' T140.


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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187775
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When the Hinckley crew came back into the states.
I was one of the people on the front lines welcoming them back and ready to purchase the new product. They are the ones who distanced themsleves from the old riders AND dealers. I was told by some one in the company "we are not the same TRIUMPH". It was also made very clear THEY wanted nothing to do with the previous customer base.
Profit is not a bad word you are correct. I just have a problem doing business with a company that has told me they do not want my business and are building a product based on a history the do not want to be associated with.
After your Business 101 class suggest you take a Customer Service 101 and Ethics 101 class.
By the way I rode a Hinckley T100 and found it to be a bit top heavy.
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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187776
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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187777
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Triumph paid good money to be at Mid Ohio. They put on a good show and made the event better for everyone. Mr Bloor put up his money not investor money when he took over. It took over 15 years to turn a profit. Let,s see some of you put up your money for something like that.
Triumph has never told any old Triumph dealer or new vintage shop not to sell t shirts and stuff with the logo on them.
I have met and talked to Mr Bloor and can tell you he is a quiet,smart man that did something with his dream. Have you?

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Is this the point where a hobby becomes a religion to some folk...
just wondering... :rolleyes:


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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187779
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It my understanding from talking to a friend of mine (who was a vendor) there was a notice in the vendor pack TRIUMPH was going to not be nice to ANYONE THERE that had the old logo on stuff for sale whatever it may be.
I wore my old shirt to Mid-O and the Triumph people were very friendly.They even asked how I liked their new bikes.Which is an invitation to criticise, and were still nice after I did. laugh Maybe because my shirt wasn't for sale wink
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There was a shirt vender in the swap meet area selling old logo shirts for 5 bucks a piece,but I dont think he cared if anyone was nice to him or not beerchug

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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187780
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Just noticed elsewhere that Triumph are set to make/sell more bikes next year than the old factory did at it highest sales point...


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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187781
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Quote:
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Triumph paid good money to be at Mid Ohio. They put on a good show and made the event better for everyone. Mr Bloor put up his money not investor money when he took over. It took over 15 years to turn a profit. Let,s see some of you put up your money for something like that.
Triumph has never told any old Triumph dealer or new vintage shop not to sell t shirts and stuff with the logo on them.
I have met and talked to Mr Bloor and can tell you he is a quiet,smart man that did something with his dream. Have you?
Bloor did so for Bloor, I personally wish he had called it a Matchless because the company is the machine and the bikes are appliances.

For him to prohibit the sale of goods bearing the old logo at an event which has done just fine without him for many years is just pissing on us all.

The Australian distributors [who also are the only retailers in Victoria] really do charge $27.00 for an oil filter which is actually worth $6.00.


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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187782
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Hmmm, saw plenty of old Triumph logos on display at VMD, also saw plenty of new Triumph logos on display. I was there from Thursday to Sunday and never heard a word about Triumph playing strong arm about logos. >>UPDATE - I have been informed that notes were made and questions were asked.<< I was had not been made aware of that while at VMD...

I think Keith has made on of the better posts on this thread...Bloor did not go to Meridian to buy a motorcycle company, he went there to purchase the land for a development. Unfortunately for some people, he had the audacity to buy the company and basically salvaged part of the British motorcycle industry.

But according to some, shame on Bloor. He didn't keep building antiquated designs in an old inefficient facility that was never again going to be efficient enough to make money. No, he had the audacity to use his OWN money to build a modern facility and fund the development of modern products. And then was so misguided that he expected it to become profitable. Which it has.

If Bloor had been as enlightened as some expected him to be, we would still be seeing Speed Twin derivitaves being build at Meridian in a building with a very leaky roof. He would be funding the losses out of his own pocket and everything would be right with the world of Triumph.

Yea right. eek Bloor unfortunately expects his companies to make money. If that means a modern product in a modern facility, so be it. Profit is NOT a dirty word. If Bloor had not taken the chance with HIS money, there would be NO Britich motorcycle industry.

Maybe he would have been better off to use the BSA name and let the myopic Triumph owners whine about why he didn't use the Triumph name :p

Actually, as my resolve weakens about not buying a modern bike, I am very happy Bloor used his money to salvage the British motorcycle industry. Gives me a choice. A Triumph remains VERY near the top of my list.


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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187783
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Those people whe don't like change should not look here:

http://www.sorenwinslow.com/TriumphLogos.asp

see I told you it would upset you! Things come, things go and once upon a time BSA owned Triumph bwahahahahahahaaa! laughing laughing laughing


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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187784
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Rich, I hope you aren't incluing me in the "But according to some, shame on Bloor" comment.

My exception was in the audacious wording of thier spam mail advert for Mid-Ohio, that's all!

I love my 2000 Legend, Sally loves her '02 Bonnie, and I wish Bloor every success, as I have from day 1.

I just wish they'd think things out a little better and use more accurate & appropriate wording.

...that, and knock a couple thousand off retail!


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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187785
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rich B:
Hmmm, saw plenty of old Triumph logos on display at VMD, also saw plenty of new Triumph logos on display. I was there from Thursday to Sunday and never heard a word about Triumph playing strong arm about logos. >>UPDATE - I have been informed that notes were made and questions were asked.<< I was had not been made aware of that while at VMD...

I think Keith has made on of the better posts on this thread...Bloor did not go to Meridian to buy a motorcycle company, he went there to purchase the land for a development. Unfortunately for some people, he had the audacity to buy the company and basically salvaged part of the British motorcycle industry.

But according to some, shame on Bloor. He didn't keep building antiquated designs in an old inefficient facility that was never again going to be efficient enough to make money. No, he had the audacity to use his OWN money to build a modern facility and fund the development of modern products. And then was so misguided that he expected it to become profitable. Which it has.

If Bloor had been as enlightened as some expected him to be, we would still be seeing Speed Twin derivitaves being build at Meridian in a building with a very leaky roof. He would be funding the losses out of his own pocket and everything would be right with the world of Triumph.

Yea right. eek Bloor unfortunately expects his companies to make money. If that means a modern product in a modern facility, so be it. Profit is NOT a dirty word. If Bloor had not taken the chance with HIS money, there would be NO Britich motorcycle industry.

Maybe he would have been better off to use the BSA name and let the myopic Triumph owners whine about why he didn't use the Triumph name :p

Actually, as my resolve weakens about not buying a modern bike, I am very happy Bloor used his money to salvage the British motorcycle industry. Gives me a choice. A Triumph remains VERY near the top of my list.
That's yet another beer I owe you... nice one.


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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187786
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i'm glad triumph is alive and well today. i think it's great that they have allowed a few retro models into their line...and that they are on the cutting edge with at least one of their bikes.

i'm with everyone else who is down on them for being so snippety about the "old" triumph realm...

on one hand,it seems hypocritical to be riding the wave of profits fueled by all the history yet separate the company so completely from that history in so many ways...on the other hand, they HAVE surmounted said history to become their very own entity in today's market, having further proven themselves by immediately stepping away from the vintage or retro thing, coming out with strictly sport bikes,the cross purpose and sport-touring bikes as well.

kinda plays to both mind-sets, a reasonable and smart move that has proven itself to be effective.
and yes, it IS nice to have the brit option in today's M/C marketplace...


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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187787
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Just came back from my local Brit repair\ Enfield dealer shop . He confirmed the mailing with the vedors packet vis a vis no logo sales . Also told me of someone he knows in the business who was going to deal new Triumphs . When the rep came the guy was told he would no longer be able to work on old Triumphs in his shop if he took on the new ones . He politely declined .
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if the "new" triumph has their "new" logos copyrighted, do they then own/control ALL the the previous logos?


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Yes.

And supposedly, they intend to start persuing the offenders from the biggest on down to whatever point it is no longer cost-effective.


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Call me stupid but I still don't see the rationale for this . It's one thing if a company is making\advertising parts for the new ones as there would be direct competition with the factory for your $$$ and potentially reliability \liability issues . I doubt the factory will ever bother making parts for anything old so why the fuss ? As with HD . They have no interest in anything over 10 years old and none of the dealers that I ever heard of will work on the old stuff yet they claim their heritage and trundle their rolling museum around the country like it has some real connection to their modern business model .
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According to my extremely reliable source, Triumph has never tried to tell a dealer they couldn't have old iron in the shop, showroom or building.

And when triumph stopped building the 4 cylinder bikes, they made the statement that Triumph's reputation was built on two and three cylinder machines, and that's what they will market.

So should Ford be protested because the new Mustangs are more technically advanced than the same cars from the '60's?

The Triumphs are good machines, the parts are no more expensive than Jap parts and in my area, much easier to get.


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Re: "Triumph's Biggest Event of the Year" ??? Better wording, please. #187792
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According to my extremely reliable source, Triumph has never tried to tell a dealer they couldn't have old iron in the shop, showroom or building.
web page

Exactly. I was in Sarasota today and saw this very nice '73 Triumph for sale and it was very prominently displayed (with apparent pride) at the Triumph/Honda/BMW dealer, Haps Cycle. See the web page above. I've seen an old Triumph for sale at two other Florida Triumph dealers in the past year -- both were in the showroom, not outside with the more common used bikes.


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Spent a day a few weeks ago visiting the vintage bike shops in San Diego...was happy to see Rocket Motors still has a portion of their original brick warehouse showroom devoted to vintage Triumph bikes. Probably a dozen on the floor for sale, as well as lots of parts on display (and mucho more in the loft and shop). The backbone of their new bike sales is Bloors, but going into the shop in back, looked like at least half their work was on Meridan Triumphs. Though the amount of floor space devoted to vintage has shrunk since last time I was there, years ago, its obvious that nobody is telling them not to peddle and promote vintage.

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Hello Gentlemen,
I am rather surprised with the feelings of being slighted by Hinckley Triumph, either at the shop or at a meet. I do not believe that Hinckley Triumph is trying to distance itself from Meriden Triumph because they do not have to - the two are distant. Hinckely is a separate entity from the old company and the machines, aside from style similarities, are entirely different. I'd be surprised if the company did make efforts to sidle up to the older machines - it'd be silly.
I owned and rode two Meridens, a 650 and 750, for over twenty years and loved them. I like my new Triumph better, however.
And there are shops for the old and the new, you simply must choose the right one. To expect a new Triumph dealer shop to work on a '68 Bonneville is like expecting a Ford dealer to work on a Model T.
I know a lot of guys with the new Triumphs, and they have as much reverence for the older ones as I, even if they've never owned or ridden one.
Not many companies rise from the ashes and pick up where they left off - Indians, VW's, Enfields, old names on new machines.


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I finally figured it out.

Since Triumph was pretty much absent from Daytona, Mid-Ohio was likely the biggest MONEY MAKING event of the year for them.

So, actually, all they left out of the hype was two words.

Mid-Ohio certainly was NOT thier biggest event of the year.


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