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Oil in frame questions #143685
06/27/08 2:52 pm
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I asked this over in the racing forum also. I came across a great deal on a 72 oil in frame 650. Any big issues with this model? I have a 70 TR6 in pieces so I have a general knowledge of the bike and the 650 motor. Not familiar with the oil in frame version. Any hints?

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Re: Oil in frame questions #143686
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I am not a big expert on them - never cared for the seat height with the 71 & 72's - I like the newer frames.


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'71 A65L - Cafe in progress now almost 20 years!
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Re: Oil in frame questions #143687
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If it is a 1972 T120V (five-speed), AFIK it will have the lowered frame that came out mid-way in 1972.
The T120V is IMO the best of both worlds in Triumph.


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Re: Oil in frame questions #143688
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The 1972 Triumphs went through a number of changes during the model year not the least of which seat frame was lowered. I have a February 1972 TR6R (BGxxxxx engine & frame number) which has the high seat. Look for April (DGxxxxx) or May (EGxxxxx) or later frame numbers.

You will also need to have the frame stiffened at lease at the steering head, braced at the rear (OIF tube to the rear diagaonals of the frame) and the swing arm should also be stiffened.

Re: Oil in frame questions #143689
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To Triumphmike's recommendations, I would add that all the OIF models used for racing should have the swingarm pivot piece on the downtube braced. Flex in this area will crack the downtube/oil tank. eek

Re: Oil in frame questions #143690
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You will also need to have the frame stiffened at lease at the steering head, braced at the rear (OIF tube to the rear diagaonals of the frame) and the swing arm should also be stiffened.

??? where did this ever come from? I have two OIF twins and never have I ever heard anyone saying that the steering head needed re-enforcement??? There "can" be issues around the swing arm pivot / center stand mount where the oil down tube meets, but that is usually in bikes started on the center stand or ones that have been jumped or dumped.

All this whining about seat height, I have a 32" inseam and the seat is NOT too high.

The bikes are good, and a good value since most people want to propagate the myths & lies that OIF bikes are bad. Too tall of seat, the conical brakes are horrible, poor quality, it's not a real Triumph.

Seat height, personal preference, your results may vary.

The conical brakes are horrible. Yeah, and nobody understands how to adjust them. These brakes are the only models that had micro cams to adjust the shoes, DON"T USE THE CABLE TO ADJUST THEM, THE CABLE ADJUSTERS ARE TO TAKE OUT CABLE SLACK ONLY. They will howl any brand of front tire. The adjusters are on the drive side under rubber plugs. do a search on conical brakes on this site, I've done a complete explanation at least 3 times how to adjust them and make them work great. They make my B50 do stoppies!

Poor Quality... This describes the entire English motor cycle industry, get over it.

It's not a real Triumph... Yes it is, it has the continuing engine improvements from 68' on, and a few of it's own. It has a welded frame and the rear doesn't bolt on, so it handles better than previous years, still over raked but so are most British bikes. It's lighter, more agile. Style is a personal thing, to each their own, but the original question wasn't about your opinions of style...

I have had my Bonneville since 1972, I have beat the ever loving heck out of it, jumped it, rode off road, laid it down 7 times, rode two up a bunch, flogged the motor to it's limits, stored it outside for 3 winters and it still came back for more. Never cracked the frame and it would bottom the forks with the front brake.

I have a 71 BSA A65 as well and it is my "Old Dependable", its always is ready to go somewhere.

They are good bikes, good value and fun to ride. Buy it if you like it. But, be prepared for the onslaught of grief from self appointed purists with no experience with them who what to repeat the myths. Or I'll buy it before anyone else realizes they are good and the prices go up....


If you don't like change, you're going to hate extinction...
75' Commando
71' Bonneville
71' BSA Firebird
71' B50 Street tracker
62' BSA A10 Super rocket
60' BSA DBD Goldstar roller
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Re: Oil in frame questions #143691
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Well I just bought the damn thing. Totally on a whim. I have not seen the bike and am trusting the pics and that the owner is telling the truth. Who would ever lie about an old Triumph?

I guess the adventure will soon begin. Looking forward to more discussions about this bike. I hope to have in vintage racing shape by next year. I think Barber in Oct. is probably a little optimistic. Who knows. I haven't even seen the bike yet! May bring it to Mid-Ohio if it is running OK.

Ron T. - thanks for your perspective. I look forward to hearing more of it as I dig into my new project.

Re: Oil in frame questions #143692
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Here we go again! I agree with Ron. I have had my "71" T120 since "74" and in the last 4 years (since my kids are grown and out) I have averaged 4000 miles per season (season isn't toon long in Ohio). It's my daily driver and starts 1st kick. I'm only 5'8" and it's fine when it's moving (we are supposed to ride our bikes aren't we?). I have adjusted my conicals per Ron's suggestion and they are fine. Buddy of mine has a 1971 BSA with the same brakes and after I told him the technique he has also had good results. I even like the original Tiger Gold and black. If you have a 72 then you should have the smaller tank. The 71 with the large tank does not have the support strap and the tank can crack. On (2) of my tanks I have put on support straps. Parts are reasonable and still plentiful.

Dave

Re: Oil in frame questions #143693
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Well said, Ron!

I LOVE the way my "high seat" 71 handles. And, after spending some time figuring the brakes, they feel almost as good as my buddy's high$ 4ls drums.

Re: Oil in frame questions #143694
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Wow, Ron, but do you really feel beerchug
If it ever stops raining :rolleyes:


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Re: Oil in frame questions #143695
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thanks ron and drp. never understood teh bi+ching about the front brake. looks like a stroke of genius to me instead of little bell cranks and threaded shafts and such. once the front brake swithc goes away, so do most of the problems

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When I mentioned the reinforcing of the steering head I was assuming it was for a race bike.

For clarity:
1. I have a 1972 TR6R that I bought new and still own it 36 years later.
2. My conical hub brakes are almost as good as disc brakes because a) the drums were turned after adjusting spoke tensions and b) Vintage Brake applied proper pad material and then arc'd in the diameter to the turned drum (front and rear).
3. I have the higher seat also and it is just fine for me.
4. The bike runs as sweet as ever, I will never sell it or any of my other Triumphs.

Vintage Triumphs do require TLC and attention which is one of the enjoyments (to me) of keeping the bike running well.

Wally, let us know what the frame/engine number is for curiosity sakes and post some photos. We (I) would love to see it. Good Luck.

Re: Oil in frame questions #143697
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Ron and the Tulsa contingent -

Shhhh!!!! You keep that kind of talk up, prices will keep going up! laughing

Steve


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Re: Oil in frame questions #143698
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From a standpoint of rideability, OIF's are hard to beat. Out of 4 bikes (1 american, 1 asian, 2 OIF's), the late 72 Triumph is my ride of choice.
Lightweight, comfortable and handles well. bigt
Mike

Re: Oil in frame questions #143699
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The dry frames don't handle bad either and they looks nicer bigt laugh

And they don't leak neither - well the frames don't anyways :rolleyes:

Mind you never ridden one of them modern OIF's laugh

Looking forward to seeing you out there Wally bigt

beerchug

Re: Oil in frame questions #143700
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71-72 where just plain butt ugly. laugh


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Re: Oil in frame questions #143701
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phantom, "plain butt ugly" seems a little harsh.The 71-72 triumphs are after all still triumphs, so how about we just leave it at"plain". A few simple cosmetic changes work wonders. Jack

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phantom, "plain butt ugly" seems a little harsh.The 71-72 triumphs are after all still triumphs, so how about we just leave it at"plain". A few simple cosmetic changes work wonders. Jack

Re: Oil in frame questions #143703
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I guess you think my girlfriend is fat too.

I like the look of my '72 TR-6





Mine runs great starts 1st kick and don't leak oil.

It's a daily rider no trailer queen.

Found last October after being parked in a barn in southern Maryland for 35 years. Only had 1,607 miles on it.

Spent the winter redoing alot adding Boyer, 6v coils, new rubber etc.

Love it and it's a real head turner everywhere I go.

TD

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Is she flat chested too like that seat. ;)I like the uk tank. bigt


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Re: Oil in frame questions #143705
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The tank is the Home market style. I think the front mudguard is also (longer over the front). Curious as back then you could not order either one (at least in '75 when I worked in a Brit bike shop) over here.

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It is a home version purchased new in 1973 in the Washington area. I understand that some were sent over here around that time and refitted with western bars for the USA market as well as emissions air filters (highly restrictive)with snorkels to lessen the intake noise. I have correct UK bars on now, not the ones in the pix. I believe that the UK factory was on strike and that's the reason these bikes made their way to the US.

No she is quite buxom phantom thank you very much ;>)

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You sure the front guard is'nt on back to front? Is it possible? Douglas

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What douglas said....(about the picture)
Really enjoying this thread.
The second picture looks right, but the first one doesn't. ??
Probably the angle of the pic.

Wally
Please get back sometime and let us know if you have a T120V or a T120R.

Someday I'll have a T120V, had one and wrecked it.

>>sb


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Quote:
Originally posted by douglas:
You sure the front guard is'nt on back to front? Is it possible? Douglas
Yes I'm sure.

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