I used a set of Irridium Champions on my race bike for ONE race. The bike started instantly, but lost 5 MPH on top end.
A friend of mine (Howard "Shotgun" Winchester) who rode for Pete Dalio (Big D) says he (Pete) used to say "If a triumph doesn't start in 1 or 2 kicks, you need to tear down the engine and see what's wrong".
GrandPaul (does not use emoticons) Author of the book "Old Bikes" Too many bikes to list, mostly Triumph & Norton, some BSA & European "The Iron in your blood should be Vintage"
I didn't see that anyone mentioned talking nicely to it yet. This doesn't help if there's a crowd however. It will take 8 to 10 kicks in that case no matter what you say to it. These are very sensitive machines.
Another trick I have found helpful is to "hold your mouth right." I learned this from an old Brit biker back in the '60s and it seems to help.
Re: How do YOU start your Triumph?#139443 04/18/084:03 pm04/18/084:03 pm
For my '71 T100c (single carb AMAL 626 Concentric), it was running rich so I adjusted the float level down. Now the plugs are looking better, but it takes a couple more kicks and more flooding/tickling to start it up. Seemed to me a definite relationship to float level, mixture adjustment,and ease of starting. Gas/float level high = runs rich = easy start. Gas/float level "correct" = better burn = harder to start. Just my experience, your results may differ.
Re: How do YOU start your Triumph?#139444 04/18/084:33 pm04/18/084:33 pm
Originally posted by John Healy: Woody: Given the make-up of gasoline shouldn't that make sense? John
Yep, makes sense now that you and others gave me an education... I guess the point I was trying to make for Ken is effect of float adjustment on starting, and that it's possible to tune an AMAL for easier starting, but that's not necesarily a good idea. But if Ken is running too lean, a float adjustment could be the ticket.
A check on plug condition could help. Also, if no fire after 10 kicks is the norm, you might pull a plug after your next 10 and see if it's wet with fuel (or not)
Re: How do YOU start your Triumph?#139446 04/18/088:49 pm04/18/088:49 pm
Living here in Hawaii where the temp is 75-85 95% of the time my bikes always start first kick and idle immediately. Carbs are not too rich but I always err on that side to be safe. Float levels are by the book. If its cold (65-70) it takes one primer kick with the ign. off first. IMO, getting the timing right for your particular situation (gas quality, climate, riding style) is more important for easy starting. I just finished tuning a 66 Bonnie for a friend of mine and started with the standard timing. It was too advanced and was kicking back. I gradually retarded the timing until it stopped kicking back and now it's a real ****ycat. With the kickstarter level with the ground, just a nudge and the bike fires right off. My T-bird and my Commando 850 are identical in starting. Anyone could start my bikes with just a little instruction. Admittedly top performance is a little less than what is possible, but these are old bikes and I have something else for agressive riding. Just for your information, all my bikes use points and coil ignition as well as my friend's bike. He came to me with a Boyer an@log unit and I refused to mount it on his bike. He agreed that coming up with another 3-400$ to upgrade his charging system was too much to pay in order to use solid state ignition. I did upgrade to 6CA points plate and installed a new Harris auto advance unit. Now the timing is easy to get spot on and identical from left to right. Makes a huge difference in the way the bike runs.
Also as an aside, I have found that Champion plugs are OK on a good running bike but when trying to tune up a bike they seem to gas foul and never clean up sometimes. NGK's seem more resistant to gas fouling and will clean up and work again. Bill
Bikes 1974 Commando 1985 Honda Nighthawk 650 1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Flying Tiger" Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: How do YOU start your Triumph?#139449 04/19/0812:22 pm04/19/0812:22 pm
my 68 tr6p bobber is fitted with a Cobb racing 90deg manifold and Mikuni, and a Joe Hunt magneto, I started her up yesterday forthe first time since last october. turn the fuel on, choke on, 3 long slow kicks, twisting the throttle back onece or twice, then one full kick (using all 200lbs) and shes going 8-)
Re: How do YOU start your Triumph?#139450 04/21/081:19 am04/21/081:19 am
Okay, update! Here's my new routine - prime till overflowing, break clutch, two or three slow kicks, a little throttle on the last slow kick to lean it out, turn on, give it a go. Worked on 2nd kick this time, idled nicely while I got my wife and went for our first ride around the Tennessee/Kentucky farmlands not far from our house.
Of course, it stalled while hot at a stopsign about 40 minutes into the ride. Kicked right up again....but is this another potential bugaboo?
Thanks again for all the help!
Re: How do YOU start your Triumph?#139451 04/21/088:45 am04/21/088:45 am
My Bonny was dying at lights quite a lot recently. The bike was idling quite high at about 1500, but would stall when given to much throttle. In the end I played around with the air screw and wound it out to two full turns. I was then able to lower the idle as well. Good result and she pulls away from lights etc without a problem. I rcomend the new extended screws from AMAL for this, as they can be ajusted without getting your swiss army knife out!
Matt 1967 T120 1999 BMW K1200RS 1974 Laverda "Brettoni"
Re: How do YOU start your Triumph?#139453 04/21/086:09 pm04/21/086:09 pm
In my work car park today, I watched a concours '61 T120 owner (on his centre stand-but that's another thread !) kick over his twin several times to get it started, twiddling the tops of his AMALMonobloc carbs as if that was somehow necessary. h was not a slight man but surely half dozen kicks ought to have started it
I don't know much if anything about pre-units , less than I know about pre-OIF units but surely the AMALConcentric tickler represents a real advance in the ease with which starting up the twin is done ? The Bing is also a nice carb - i don't know of the Mk2, though. either way , I am glad I do not have the probs the '61 owner had
The tickler on the Concentric was not an advance in itself. The previous AMAL carb to the Concentric---the Monobloc, also had a tickler. The correct carbs for a 61 Triumph T120 would have been Monoblocs.
Re: How do YOU start your Triumph?#139458 04/22/0812:52 am04/22/0812:52 am
my TRW does not have a tickler but does hae a 3 position choke, the carb is a Solex, and if it has not been started recently is very reluctant UNLESS I turn the taps on well before I start the routine (break the clutch, TDC, ignition on, kick firmly), evidently a tickler would help!
Mike, home is where we moor it.
Re: How do YOU start your Triumph?#139460 04/22/081:11 am04/22/081:11 am
I start my 74 T150V thusly - turn on both petcocks. Remove gas cap. Blow into tank while depressing the outside ticklers until fingers wet- replace gas cap - one kick and it starts. One of these days I'll get the ticklers working properly. Till then, I start the trident in the shed with no one watching. Cooper
Re: How do YOU start your Triumph?#139461 04/22/081:21 am04/22/081:21 am
With some further self-****ysis, I think the other crucial thing for starting is holding my breath whilst kicking over. I'm sure THAT was the crucial step (although, in doing so, i'm probably making a face....hmmm....)
Chuck, I'm happy to join you guys for a ride. Bowling Green is only an hour or so away from me (I'm off I-24 literally on the TN side of the border).
Re: How do YOU start your Triumph?#139463 04/22/081:59 pm04/22/081:59 pm
Bumped into my '61 T120-owning acquaintance again and he was having problems starting his bike- it was in gear (although when I gave it a kick or two, it did start up -lucky those centre stands place the rear wheel so high up !!!! )
Still, bike in neutral, the owner had a few more kickc to give before it fired up again...he blamed a wash he'd given the bike some days earlier ...
I had no idea relying as I do upon the stock electronic ignition on my 750s (except the reliable TR65's points)