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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139441
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I used a set of Irridium Champions on my race bike for ONE race. The bike started instantly, but lost 5 MPH on top end.

A friend of mine (Howard "Shotgun" Winchester) who rode for Pete Dalio (Big D) says he (Pete) used to say "If a triumph doesn't start in 1 or 2 kicks, you need to tear down the engine and see what's wrong".


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139442
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Ken,

I didn't see that anyone mentioned talking nicely to it yet. This doesn't help if there's a crowd however. It will take 8 to 10 kicks in that case no matter what you say to it. These are very sensitive machines.

Another trick I have found helpful is to "hold your mouth right." I learned this from an old Brit biker back in the '60s and it seems to help.

Gib

Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139443
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For my '71 T100c (single carb AMAL 626 Concentric), it was running rich so I adjusted the float level down. Now the plugs are looking better, but it takes a couple more kicks and more flooding/tickling to start it up. Seemed to me a definite relationship to float level, mixture adjustment,and ease of starting.
Gas/float level high = runs rich = easy start.
Gas/float level "correct" = better burn = harder to start.
Just my experience, your results may differ. wink


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139444
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Woody: Given the make-up of gasoline shouldn't that make sense?
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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139445
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Quote:
Originally posted by John Healy:
Woody: Given the make-up of gasoline shouldn't that make sense?
John
Yep, makes sense now that you and others gave me an education...
I guess the point I was trying to make for Ken is effect of float adjustment on starting, and that it's possible to tune an AMAL for easier starting, but that's not necesarily a good idea. But if Ken is running too lean, a float adjustment could be the ticket.

A check on plug condition could help. Also, if no fire after 10 kicks is the norm, you might pull a plug after your next 10 and see if it's wet with fuel (or not)


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139446
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gibgo12.. Holding your mouth right only works when starting a single. laugh


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139447
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By "holding your mouth right" (for ease of starting), I'm assuming the "right" position would be where the word "OUCH" comes out easily when it kicks back?


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139448
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Living here in Hawaii where the temp is 75-85 95% of the time my bikes always start first kick and idle immediately. Carbs are not too rich but I always err on that side to be safe. Float levels are by the book. If its cold (65-70) it takes one primer kick with the ign. off first. IMO, getting the timing right for your particular situation (gas quality, climate, riding style) is more important for easy starting. I just finished tuning a 66 Bonnie for a friend of mine and started with the standard timing. It was too advanced and was kicking back. I gradually retarded the timing until it stopped kicking back and now it's a real ****ycat. With the kickstarter level with the ground, just a nudge and the bike fires right off. My T-bird and my Commando 850 are identical in starting. Anyone could start my bikes with just a little instruction. Admittedly top performance is a little less than what is possible, but these are old bikes and I have something else for agressive riding. Just for your information, all my bikes use points and coil ignition as well as my friend's bike. He came to me with a Boyer an@log unit and I refused to mount it on his bike. He agreed that coming up with another 3-400$ to upgrade his charging system was too much to pay in order to use solid state ignition. I did upgrade to 6CA points plate and installed a new Harris auto advance unit. Now the timing is easy to get spot on and identical from left to right. Makes a huge difference in the way the bike runs.

Also as an aside, I have found that Champion plugs are OK on a good running bike but when trying to tune up a bike they seem to gas foul and never clean up sometimes. NGK's seem more resistant to gas fouling and will clean up and work again.
Bill


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139449
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my 68 tr6p bobber is fitted with a Cobb racing 90deg manifold and Mikuni, and a Joe Hunt magneto, I started her up yesterday forthe first time since last october. turn the fuel on, choke on, 3 long slow kicks, twisting the throttle back onece or twice, then one full kick (using all 200lbs) and shes going 8-)

Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139450
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Okay, update! Here's my new routine - prime till overflowing, break clutch, two or three slow kicks, a little throttle on the last slow kick to lean it out, turn on, give it a go. Worked on 2nd kick this time, idled nicely while I got my wife and went for our first ride around the Tennessee/Kentucky farmlands not far from our house.

Of course, it stalled while hot at a stopsign about 40 minutes into the ride. Kicked right up again....but is this another potential bugaboo?

Thanks again for all the help!

Ken

Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139451
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its just a knack that cant be explained...my 18 year old son tries and cant get mine to fire...I can get it 1st or second stone cold in bare feet....young whippersnappers think they know it all


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139452
04/21/08 5:17 pm
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Ken

My Bonny was dying at lights quite a lot recently. The bike was idling quite high at about 1500, but would stall when given to much throttle. In the end I played around with the air screw and wound it out to two full turns. I was then able to lower the idle as well. Good result and she pulls away from lights etc without a problem. I rcomend the new extended screws from AMAL for this, as they can be ajusted without getting your swiss army knife out!


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139453
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Simple. Hold tickler down until gas drips, kick once with the throttle slightly open and she starts. Bike is a daily rider so that probably helps and she does have a PAZON and Tympanium.


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139454
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Ken - ride up to Bowling Green next time you've got a mind to get out. Couple of us brit bikers up here and plenty of good roads to show you.

Cheers,
Chuck

Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139455
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Chuck, I might pull through your neighborhood on my way home after Grattan. Are you racing there?


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139456
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In my work car park today, I watched a concours '61 T120 owner (on his centre stand-but that's another thread !) kick over his twin several times to get it started, twiddling the tops of his AMAL Monobloc carbs as if that was somehow necessary. h was not a slight man but surely half dozen kicks ought to have started it

I don't know much if anything about pre-units , less than I know about pre-OIF units but surely the AMAL Concentric tickler represents a real advance in the ease with which starting up the twin is done ? The Bing is also a nice carb - i don't know of the Mk2, though. either way , I am glad I do not have the probs the '61 owner had laugh


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139457
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The tickler on the Concentric was not an advance in itself. The previous AMAL carb to the Concentric---the Monobloc, also had a tickler. The correct carbs for a 61 Triumph T120 would have been Monoblocs.

Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139458
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And the previous AMAL to the Monobloc, the Standard (or remote float bowl) carb also had a tickler.


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139459
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my TRW does not have a tickler but does hae a 3 position choke, the carb is a Solex, and if it has not been started recently is very reluctant UNLESS I turn the taps on well before I start the routine (break the clutch, TDC, ignition on, kick firmly), evidently a tickler would help!


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139460
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I start my 74 T150V thusly - turn on both petcocks. Remove gas cap. Blow into tank while depressing the outside ticklers until fingers wet- replace gas cap - one kick and it starts. One of these days I'll get the ticklers working properly. Till then, I start the trident in the shed with no one watching. Cooper


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Quote:
Originally posted by gcooperlll:
Blow into tank while depressing the outside ticklers until fingers wet- Cooper
Do you that excited just starting your bike wink


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Re: How do YOU start your Triumph? #139462
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With some further self-****ysis, I think the other crucial thing for starting is holding my breath whilst kicking over. I'm sure THAT was the crucial step (although, in doing so, i'm probably making a face....hmmm....)

Chuck, I'm happy to join you guys for a ride. Bowling Green is only an hour or so away from me (I'm off I-24 literally on the TN side of the border).

Ken

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1/2 choke, one kick through with ign off and no throttle, to prime cylinders. First kick with ign on usually fires it up, if not a touch of throttle with the second kick does the trick.

Then it's keeping it blipping until it ticks over steadily (raising idle with throttle cable adjuster) and ride off smile

(T140E)

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Bumped into my '61 T120-owning acquaintance again and he was having problems starting his bike- it was in gear (although when I gave it a kick or two, it did start up -lucky those centre stands place the rear wheel so high up !!!! eek )

Still, bike in neutral, the owner had a few more kickc to give before it fired up again...he blamed a wash he'd given the bike some days earlier ... confused

I had no idea relying as I do upon the stock electronic ignition on my 750s (except the reliable TR65's points) laughing


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